Speaking Up

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By Sarah
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February 4, 2013
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6 min read

Six months ago, something happened to me that I kept quiet. Some of my best friends in the industry knew it was happening and tried to help as much as they could. I started writing a post back then about what happened, I got halfway through and found it too much. Coming back, maybe with a stronger disposition because of what happened with my Mum, I now want to share what occurred. It's come to my attention that there's a lot of females in this industry suppressing stuff that is happening to them, for fear of backlash or just wanting a quiet life. It also might answer some questions about another point. I'll come to that later.

Here's what I started to write back in August...

It's with great sadness I have to speak up about something. I'm not sad myself, nor am I particularly hurt - but being scared into silence is not an option. The reason I'm sad is that the person involved with what I'm about to speak up about, could be a member of our community. In fact at the moment, everything is pointing to the fact they are. They are currently feeding off the suppression of this topic, so I'm writing publicly about it.

This week - someone decided to upload fake porn pictures of me to the internet - when I say fake I don't mean my head stuck on someone's body, but lookalikes or in some cases, just blonde women with blue eyes and terrible taste in underwear. I digress. This is someone with far too much time on their hands and someone with a definite grudge. I've taught myself over the years to take the rough with the smooth and develop a thick skin, I've been free of online trouble for a while and rightly or wrongly, I was kind of expecting my run of luck to end. To say it caught me off guard, would be a lie, but to see how low someone would stoop, did. However, it's amazing how resilient and detached you can be when you know you've been that boring your entire life that you've never taken nude pictures of yourself.

The interesting thing about what this individual did was show themselves as wanting to try and damage my professional integrity with blatant trolling. It all started a week ago from the date of writing this. I started to receive emails from creepy guys that eventually traced back to a site where various pictures had been posted to. The pictures were uploaded alongside my personal email address, (old) hometown and a screenshot of my Twitter account. There was also an open forum for comments at the bottom, which I'm sure you can imagine the type of things posted there.

This is where I stopped in August, and here is where I will continue on in my words now...

The timing of everything was carefully executed, they knew I was speaking at one of our industry's best known conferences, 'An Event Apart' - they started to try and spam the feed 'A Feed Apart' on the day of my talk - they then tried, unsuccessfully, to post to the 'An Event Apart' Facebook feed during my talk, they setup a fake Twitter account and tried to at-reply my employers for that conference as well as high-profile twitter users I was associated with, to ensure they knew about the pictures and their existence.

If you were at 'An Event Apart' in Austin last year, you might remember Jeffrey jumping up on stage and giving one of the best, off-the-cuff speeches I've ever heard, purely because he had only been told seconds before what was likely to happen during my talk. He said (paraphrased) "The feed is prone to trolls and spam at the best of times, at any point today, if you see anything derogatory about any of our speakers, please ignore it, do not engage with them. The conference is about everyone in this room, not outside, let's keep it that way". At that point, I couldn't believe it had even gone through my head to have a stiff upper lip and try and soldier on without them knowing what was happening behind the scenes. I felt ashamed; that I was almost letting them down by being a speaker and bringing all this hassle to their conference. During my talk, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried at what the hundreds of faces, lit up by glowing laptops, were seeing or reading about me or what might have slipped the net. A feeling I would never wish on my worst enemy. Jeffrey, Eric and the team handled it with such aplomb and such care towards me as well, I'll be forever thankful.

We never found out who did it.

This brings me to my last point. There's many questions around why there aren't more females speaking in this industry. I can tell you why, they are scared. Everytime I jump on stage, I get comments, either about the way I look, or the fact that I'm the female, the token, the one they have to sit through in order for the males to come back on again. One conference, I even had a guy tweet something derogatory about me, not 30 seconds into my talk, only for me to bring up the point he had berated me for not bringing up, not a minute later - which caused him to have to apologise to my face after public backlash. I've had one guy come up to me in a bar and say (after explaining he didn't like my talk)... "no offence, I just don't relate to women speaking about the industry at all, I learn better from guys". I could write a book on inappropriate things that have been said to me at conferences about women in the industry, so much so, it's become a running joke with fellow speakers. I know other women who could also chip in a fair few chapters but, underneath the humour sometimes found in these situations, lies a very real problem.

It's no great secret that women are a minority in this industry, you only have to look at the queues for the toilets at any conference, however, it's forgotten that it's not about female speakers, it's about finding female speakers who have enough of a thick skin to want to stand up infront of an audience of twitter-trigger-happy males and public speak. That's an entirely different kettle of fish. Then ontop - when you finally feel comfortable with speaking, you get put into a big black pot and tarnished with the label "same old face". This happened to me on my third ever speaking engagement, third? I was tarnished as a "same old face". Since then it's become water off a ducks back - I'm not going to let a label stop me from developing and growing my speaking skills, I'm by no means perfect and still have a lot to learn. We should be encouraging anyone who shows an aptitude or love for sharing their knowledge with the community.

The wheels are in motion for something I hope will address this, I will share soon and hope you will all support me in this venture.

Comments
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Hi
Don’t ever let the attitudes of some narrow-minded, myopic and old-fashioned me deter you from success in the industry.
Good luck. And, never, ever give up!
Paul
Thank you, that’s very kind of you.
Amer Alsabbagh
I am an IT professional male Arabian Muslim “geek” (as they says), and my English is not that good, but out of my love to help others and my religious duty to provide goodness to every human being, I am telling you the following words.
I believe you are a victim.
You are a victim of the people who down-looked at you regarding the IT field on the basis of your gender. But also, you are a victim of the people who encouraged you to stand up in front of such community you are living in, in the way you are standing up in from of it.
Actually what happened should open your eyes to the reality.
Almost the whole world in deep hole of madness.
According to my understanding/experience, the natural mentality of a male is to be harmful to women, and you can be sure about that by reading the whole history of the human being.
I believe, that all came from the fact that males are physically stronger than females and you cannot change that, and laws can not change it either. And because of that, naturally a male will try to have benefits out of this fact, and that cannot be fixed by laws. Just check the statistics of your country. But the governments are not going to confess their stupidity and lack of the real solution other than implementing the social system of Islam.
While good manners/true faith can provide a solution for this problem, also stupid illusions and bad intentions can hide the problem for a while, but they can be disclosed and exposed when you think about what happened to you.
I believe, most of the good guys in your community are good to women because they have either stupid illusions or bad intentions.
The people who encouraged you at the first place to stand up and talk in such kind of community without preparing your self to such conditions, are the real criminals. They like to think about themselves as open-minded and pioneers of freedom, but they lack the basic understanding of human being, and they have no problem sacrificing your comfort to prove their greatness.
In brief, I advice you to stop exposing your self as a female, just expose your self as a human being.
Stop hurting males with your beauty. That is really a very weak point in males, and we cannot stop the hate feeling response generation. But we can only hide it by our manners. Please, stop the provocation. And if somebody told you I am exaggerating or talking out of the western context, please, be sure he is wrong, just check the statistics again.
Wear hijab. it is good for any woman, Muslim and non-Muslim.
I commend you for your courage and am angered that these trolls would do this to you or anyone. UX is about having empathy. There is NO PLACE for misogyny in this industry or any industry, for that matter. I have shared your post with my connections in UX with the hope that it help to point the light of shame on these trolling cowards. This needs to stop. It’s a black mark on UX and the community should stamp it out!
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James Read
I am sorry you have had to go through this. For such a young and creative industry, i am shocked some men are still so narrow-minded and old-fashioned.
I am not a web professional – i work in the City in insurance. However, i do design and code websites for friends small business and my personal sites.
I’m in Grays, so you are local and a real inspiration to me. I have seen your articles in magazines and blogs. To me, you are not just one of the top females, but one of the leading people in the industry, male or female.
Keep up the good work.
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It takes great courage to speak out for matters as such. I applaud you for being courageous and bringing up this issue. I am sure this will help all the girls out there who face similar challenges.
I haven’t kept up with your posts and tweets recently after taking time off work to have a baby and so have only just seen this post and what has been happening.I am shocked anyone would even be bothered to waste so much time being so malicious and targeting you like this!
You are a great inspiration to other young woman like me trying to better themself and make a career our of this industry and its awful this has happened to rock your confidence.
I hope this idiot realises there could be serious conciquences to their actions and it is not ok to behave like this to anyone.
Like others have said, thank you so much for sharing. It’s people like you with the courage to stand up that will help change the world. I think one of the most important books men and women should read is ‘Leadership of the Sexes’ by Barbara Annis and Michael Gurian. It talks about the differences in how we communicate and why we need to embrace the value and style each brings to the proverbial table.
And we need more women in positions of power. Another article I read recently talked about how companies with women in leadership positions and represented on the boards performed better than those run solely by men. So shame on those who try to keep you and others down, and kudos to you for speaking up.
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Ian T
As a father of two daughters, who constantly encourages them to strive to do their best & be heard, I’m shocked… this cannot go on!
Thanks for sharing this. It’s super courageous of you. If you hadn’t done this lots of people including me would actually not be aware of how bad it is.
This has absolutely no place on or offline and shouldn’t be tolerated by anybody. Let’s keep our ears pricked and be vigilant!
Thank you for sharing and for standing up. Regardless of your gender or what you look like, I admire your work and respect you as a professional. Others should do the same. And I actually skipped the AEA here in Atlanta to go out of my way and travel to San Diego specifically to hear your talk and to take Luke’s workshop. So you’re not the same old face, you’re sharing new and valuable information that’s cutting edge and I’m blessed to learn from it. Keep up the great work and keep breaking down walls!
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Sorry to hear about your troubles with bullies. It sounds like the whole thing was motivated by jealousy to me. You are clearly dedicated to the craft of web development since your online portfolio shows you are clearly passionate about what you do. Work like that you produce takes great skill and tenacity. I’m just starting out in web design and development, attempting to theme WordPress sites and its not a trivial activity.
Furthering your skills as a public speaker which is a by product of your passion for the industry shouldnt be sabottaged by this sort of behavior. An attractive person should be able to go about their business without having to put up with this school boy bully nonsense.
It pisses me off that this sort of thing still happens. I’m inclined to listen to valuable knowledge regardless of the source. Male or female, it shouldn’t matter. If you have something awesome to share, you should be encouraged to share it.
That anyone would discount your experience because you happen to be female is odd. You’d think we’d be past that sort of thing by now. The faked pictures fiasco is surreal. I thought we left that in middle school, but hell, I guess that’s what happens when people are only biologically adults.
Do they not realize they’re putting a stranglehold on the free exchange of ideas that defines our industry when they pull this kind of bullshit, because they’re making a not at all trivial number of fellow designers and devs feel unwelcome?
Jono
I am glad you shared this – I find it very shocking. I suspect it is the result of the environment or location where you are well known. I couldn’t imagine this happening where I live in Charleston, SC… but it probably does.
Sarah, I’m very proud to have a woman like you reference in this sector. Courage, as women we have a long way to go and get victories, you will always be an inspiration to the rest, men and women. Greetings from Madrid.
Sarah, I’m very proud to have a woman like you as reference in this sector. Courage, as women we have a long way to go and get victories, you will always be an inspiration to the rest, men and women. Greetings from Madrid.
That really sucks. Sorry to hear about your bad community experience(s).
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I’ve been a female manager in tech for ten years now and barely bothered to try to speak (not from fear but from not having the opportunities especially company support to travel), but reading this, I think I need to get out there and represent. I’m in testing, not development, but maybe it’s time to try a little harder to make a place for all of us at the table.
As a female administrator (linux, mainly) I get the “Please get me to a male tech” pretty often. This generally comes when it’s not an answer they are happy with.
It is unacceptable that this is the default response for some people. To think that my gender somehow prevents me from learning. “Couldn’t read my books, boobs in the way!”
I’m involved in both the gaming industry as well, both as a gamer and a developer. I’ve found there is no end to the sexist remarks. And unfortunately, these are the men who should be revolutionizing our thinking and the methods.
Instead, they hurl us back into the past.
Yup. Been there, done that. Most recently was two weeks ago, at a conference at which I’m on the conference committee.
I’ve had plenty of women tell me that they have spoken at a conference before and had something happen, or that they’ve had it happen to a friend, and they just don’t want to deal with it. I understand it, but it’s so demoralizing that people who are well-qualified and have lots of interesting experience and expertise to share are bowing out of it because they just don’t want to have to deal with having their technical competence called into question just because they’re female, or having completely inappropriate comments shouted out during their talk (which was my most recent experience), or having to see the commentary on Twitter about their looks and not their content, or having to read blog posts that call them insipid without actually saying what it was about their talk that needed improvement. I get why people choose not to open themselves up to that. It shouldn’t be the case, but it’s the reality of the situation today.
Carla
Thank you so much for speaking up. There are so many subtle ways that women are oppressed, often including “not saying anything because she doesn’t want a fight”.
Well, it’s said that you can’t please everyone. We’re going to have to fight at some point; why not now?
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Boyd Waters
First: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING OUT.
A dear friend of mine decided to terminate her PhD in Physics rather than face the toxic environment at her institution. Eye rolling. Teasing. Jokes. Even sabotaged experiments…
Our kids are learning to talk about bullying and teasing, how important it is to get rid of this.. this.. scary insanity.
While the tech changes faster than the culture, I can hope that we are better at the tech than the bullies, that we can spread the truth faster.
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thank you for sharing Sarah! I have a few similar stories. I run a SEO agency and have been speaking at conferences for the past 6 years, and I still get offensive and stupid comments. I once had a guy tell me after a conference “yeah ok so maybe all the guys want to sleep with you, but do you actually know anything about SEO”, it still makes my blood boil. At the last conference I spoke I got really bad reviews and I worked my ass off, I know its mostly because I’m a women, a guy can cone up speaking just after me, say exactly the same and everyone will be like ” wow”. But like you, I will keep going – they will not define me, what i do will.
This is very disappointing to hear. Perhaps I’ve been lucky — or maybe it’s different in different regions — but I’ve been fortunate to work with many women in our industry and have never heard of any such behavior by men. Don’t take that as me doubting your account, btw. Not at all.
I’m sorry this happened to you and it’s abhorrent behavior by whomever was the perpetrator. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I’d like to think the individuals in our community and industry are smarter and more evolved than that. Sadly that’s obviously not the case for all of us.
Kim Krause Berg
For those think this stuff isn’t really happening, it just hasn’t happened to you yet. I’ve had death threats, mashed up photos, public accusations of sex acts I apparently did, and more. I had to notify my kids schools when I got the threat that my kids would be taken and met with my neighbors to keep a watch out. Held a family meeting with my parents on what to do if something should happen to me. Got legal advice and began copying and saving every threat at every source. Reported emails, IPS, and names I knew them. I still write and speak because after 15 or so years, this is how it is for women in tech who are visible. There is also an army of peers, including men, who will circle around and defend a peer who is under attack. Thanks for writing. You are not alone.
Will
While it is only fair to say that you definitely are easy on the eyes, I think that a majority of the crowds and followers have been drawn to your professionalism, intellect and eloquent delivery. You are a well justified peer in this movement for great user interaction and experience. I know you have thick skin, but as usual, the few rotten apples have gotten all the air time. Most creative, innovative and intellectuals are far more conscience than this – well, at least in public or on social. Lol. Thank you for making us all aware. Keep the issue in front so that we can continue to create a balance.
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Judy Wilson
Thank you so much for summoning the courage and energy to post this. As a woman in tech, I’ve suffered through condescension from a fair number of men (and a few women) — I’ve often thought it’s served me well to be 40+ (the adolescent dude sexist factor seems to decrease the older I get). i also grew up with 3 rowdy brothers, so I learned how to hold my own early on. Grim what you went through. But what sad sacks these bullying types are.
I don’t get it. This industry is about constant learning, iteration and always figuring out a better way to do something. Why does that not extend to character? I’ve been doing the web since ’94 and it’s always been a boys club, but that’s no excuse for this type of sickening behavior.
If any industry has the built-in DNA to change these dated views of women, it’s this one. Guys, seriously. You seem to forget that the most important person in your life was a women.
Sarah, I applaud you for getting up on that stage and speaking, teaching, and helping us all learn how to do things better. You clearly have more balls than the bottomfeeder who attempted to trash your reputation and honor.
Had no idea this stuff actually happened – so sad to hear your story. All this stuff with the timing of it all is really, really depressing. Kind of sets them/him apart from being a regular ol’ asshole. That’s just plain sick.
All the best.
Thank you so much for posting this! I’m very sorry you’ve been put through this. It’s so ridiculous that things like this are still happening. I appreciate you not keeping silent
Thanks for sharing your painful story. Despite our “progress” in moving towards “equality”, women are still objectified across many levels.
One telling proof is when people call women a “B**CH” — almost always they inject a qualifier in there — you Dumb B**Ch, Fat B**ch, Ugly B**ch, etc. When men are called a name, it’s usually just A$$H*** – no qualifier involved. To me, inserting the qualifier is about de-powering and de-valuing them, and trying to take them down another notch.
When I hear the use of adjective qualifiers like that, it speaks volumes to me about the compelling need people have to put women down in ways they would never do to men.
And you’re exactly right about women being brave enough to put themselves out there – because we know what’s coming when we do.
Thanks for being bold enough to speak of this subject, and I wish you blue skies in your online pursuits.
Brad Shaw
I saw a comment earlier that annoyed me. Something about being embarrassed to be a dev. This isn’t just a problem in “this industry”, it’s a global problem. A human race problem.
While western society has made many advances in women’s rights in the last century, there’s still a disparity in equality in the work place from salaries and advancements, to various forms of harassment.
Meanwhile, there’s a huge portion of the world where women are still seen as second class citizens, and in some places don’t have the right to vote, drive a car, or even show their face in public.
This “industry” draws people together from all over the globe, so you not only have to deal with the immature losers locally who can’t help but mess with people, but also those from places where women aren’t seen as equals and colleagues, but as property.
Maybe in another 100 years things will have changed. Probably not 🙁 In the meantime you’re just going to have to keep your chin up soldier on. Be tough as nails and don’t take shit from anyone.
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Tom
Jesus, this is scary. Sorry to hear about your saboteur. The game industry, too, is disgustingly rife with this sort of thing as of late.
It upsets me to hear (mostly men) people saying that women’s rights are a thing of the past and that everything is equal now. Especially when it’s still so common and almost acceptable to belittle women based on something sexually related or how they are somehow inferior.
Without equal and mutual respect there will never be an equal footing in any industry between the sexes, classes, races and sexual leaning either!
I’m sorry you have had to go through this and good on you for having the courage to speak up and fight this. Hopefully others will find courage too.
And don’t worry there are a lot of men like me who think this kind of behaviour is nothing short of disgusting. Although I have never considered myself sexist I have learned a lot from my partner who has her masters in gender studies and I wish education in these fields could be given to all at school age.
Maurice Barnett
Sarah, I have tried to send you an email via your website without success and just stumbled on this, which is awful. I have a piece of jewellery 200years old inscribed to Sarah Parmenter. I collect and give talks on gold brooches. I would like it to go to a descendant if possible. If interested please send me an email. Kind regards, Maurice
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Jack
> This is someone with far too much time on their hands and someone with a definite grudge.
“if people aren’t mad at you, you’re doing something wrong” seems to ring true here.
While your presenting a show for peers within your industry, they are sitting at their screens with nothing more productive to do than peer at naked women.
At some point these people will reflect on themselves and realise how pathetic they are.
Hi Sarah,
I’m a girl in the industry too. User experience architect / web & information designer.
I’ve never climbed on stage in front of an audience. Many times, I have presented in front of 3-12 people. Once, I was behind a podium, in front of 200. For about two heart-pounding minutes. It was short, it was improvised, it worked. I like presenting. And listening to inspired speakers. I’ll be looking you up on youtube.
In the meantime: you are not alone. And you know what? I personally find immense strength in being the odd one out. Watch the apprentice. The man amongst the women (or the woman amongst the men) makes for the best leader, time and time again.
And in a slightly sexist twist of my own… I prefer to work with men, most of the time. Grew up with a brother, worked in Dev teams, profoundly dislike gossip, am very direct, and just want to find the best solution. Typically masculine traits. Often, women are distracted. Yes, it’s sexist. And Yes! Thank god, there are many exceptions! Point is… I think I’d like to work with you 🙂
Hugs. The real kind.
S.
James Seavers
Jayme Edwards, please don’t fight sexism with ageism.
Thank you for sharing your experience. You are an inspiration. I hope to speak publicly very soon about what I’ve learned in the world of UX.
I’ll keep this very short… Very surprised that this kind of absolute nonsense is still happening in 2013. The conference female speaker comment is laughable. There are bad folks in every industry and every part of the world. Doesn’t help.. but chin up.
You sound like an average woman in the workplace but imagine if you are handicapped or the dreaded obese condition – people go on a moral crusade indicating it’s all your fault and you deserve what you get.
Sad, very sad
Sorry this happened to you and I didn’t know stuff like this happens to females.
When I read Fall of Giants by Ken Follett, I read about the struggle women had to endure to get equal rights (pay, vote, etc) about a century ago.
So when I read this, it’s fair to say that we still have ways to go. So keep fighting, because the world is a fine place and it’s worth fighting for (Hemingway dixit).
Sarah, I don’t know you or your work, but clearly you’re top drawer if you’re speaking at An Event Apart, and garnering fond comments from the likes of Molly – go you! However, as an old feminist, I have to ask you, please don’t refer to yourself and other women in your field as “girls” – you’re a grown-up! and clearly well-versed in what you do and also as clearly a strong woman; you’re no longer a “girl”. It’s the term lots of people use to demean grown women and their capabilities. Save it for when you’re out with girlfriends. Okay? 🙂 And, best to you at beating the trolls…
Amos
So some person does a bad thing and its time to lash out at random guys simply looking for a bit of lovin’. Also I like how you complain about women not being taken seriously and then disdainfully refer to ‘trigger happy males’ and whine for paragraphs about evil crude aggressive men and industries that are evil simply because they are more than 50% male. Respect in the workplace is a two way street. Why does it always have to be men forced to give up their jokes and humor for a (few) women’s standard of behavior and maturity and never the other way around or a compromise? Why can’t we outlaw stereotypical female gossip and drama just like we ban the male crude joke?
This female way or the highway approach forced on everybody is why some are against more integration.
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First of all, I am so deeply sorry this happened to you. You should be proud of yourself for handling something so well, that many would not—myself included.
Being a female myself, I resonate with the things you’ve said in this post. I wish I didn’t, but they are harsh realities of the industry we are in.
You’re an inspiration… from your talent to how you carry yourself. Good for you for speaking up. Never keep quiet!
I can’t believe that guys have the nerve to say those kinds of things to you. Everyone has the right to be able to help further our community, especially women and minorities. As a male in our industry, I absolutely LOVE and respect women in our community. We run a group on Facebook for the design and development community in our state, and if I were to hear one derogatory comment against a woman or minority they would be booted, and everyone in our area would know about it.
Oh, and having your face put on nude pictures doesn’t just happen to women! I’ve had that happen to me in the past. It was kinda flattering for me, but maybe because there was no harm done and no one knew about it really.
This is very surprising to me… I dont think I’ve ever given 2 seconds to consider whether I prefer a male or female speaker at a conference since I’m there for the content, and could literally care less what mouthpiece is delivering it. It amazes me how a creative industry of all industries would be so close minded, biased and just plain idiotic when it comes to gender equality. If you base anything anybody does or says in this industry on anything other than their portfolio of work and experience you are an idiot and we have no need for your views being associated with a profession I am proud of.
Major props to you, an industry peer, for speaking up about something I had zero idea was going on. And truth be told doubt I would have the decorem to handle this situation with half as much class as you did… and had this been my wife, sister, daughter, friend…. yeah well I wont go there.
I admire your courage, Sarah. Keep being you, and keep standing brave in the trenches.
I have two precious little girls, one of which wants to do absolutely everything daddy does. One day perhaps she will want to follow in my career footsteps as a designer or programmer.
In that day, when she is accepted by her peers as an equal, and not as a subpar professional, I will remember you and the role you played in pioneering a path for her to walk down as a professional in our field.
ITT: jerks and white knights. No in-betweens, apparently.
Wow! I’m speechless after reading that (which is rare). I remember a while back my wife saw an image of you and comment on how ‘she must get a huge amount of grief’ meaning buy the way you look etc and the male community (thinking along the lines now of the males in Stuart’s comic store on The Big Bang Theory). At the time I naively said ‘No really the community is not like that’. How foolish was I?
Going public is the best course of action, this crap is disgusting and I’m pretty sure against the law. Haters gonna’ hate to quote most youth, but it’s true. I tell my kids all the time, evil will do evil and what that person has done is just damn right wrong ethically and morally.
I would go as far as to say that if it came to light whoever did this they should be put forward to the authorities and if nothing happens there then put forward who it was so they can be struck off from within the industry if possible just by word of mouth.
The other side of that though is buy making a big deal of it, it brigs your name forward each and every time and I’m pretty sure yourself and your family don’t want this brought up every five minutes because of some slanderous dumb arse.
For that I admire you pushing through and making this post. Looking at the comment you obviously have the support of the community. We have our pitchforks at the ready to storm the evil bastards house 😉
[…] days ago, a prominent designer named Sarah Parmenter published a post titled Speaking Up, in which she revealed the horrific harassment she has endured as a public woman in […]
Sharon
Thank you for being brave enough to write this post. It’s not the first and won’t be the last. I remember when Kathy Sierra (of Creating Passionate Users) went through a very similar experience. All for writing a popular blog series. It seems most women who are visibly successful in a traditionally male environment will face some level of sexual abuse to try and ‘put them back where they belong’.
Sometimes worst are those who claim it’s just a bit of fun. ‘Lighten up’ as they like to say. It’s obviously not as serious as the intimidation and threats women face daily in certain societies in the world. But that’s little consolation when you’re on the receiving end of it.
Kathy has actually commented on this post.
Sarah, I was at An Event Apart in Austin. Your presentation stands out in my mind, not because of any knowledge of anything behind the scenes, but because it was eloquent and timely. I had no idea what was going on, and I am so sorry, and frankly incensed, that you had to go through this. It’s bad enough that this is a field with few women. It’s bad enough that the women who are successful in this field are often called a “bitch” because they show the same energy, leadership and persistence of their male counterparts. But to be targeted by a troll and have his tactic be objectifying you is an absolute outrage. This neolithic attitude towards women in tech industries is intolerable. I thank you for speaking out about your experience; it couldn’t have been easy. Others may be encouraged by your example to speak about the wrong-minded attitudes they are encountering.
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Sumit Bisht
A really shameful situation indeed. I do hope perpetrators of this crime are brought under justice. However, I request Sarah, if she reads this, to continue on with her passion and not be frustrated with these bullies, who only think of females as objects and cannot stand the thought that a female person can be technically competent too.
This is really sad… I had no idea that these kind of things are going on in the web industry also… We all should do something such that these things don’t happen and also encourage more women to join our industry…
Kathy Gill
Thank you, Sarah. The timing of your post, on the heels go the GoDaddy debacle in Sunday’s SuperBowl, is an important reminder that the attitude towards women in the industry is Stone Age. And it will change only when we are all as brave as you for naming the behavior.
koko
This person ‘Craig’ seems to have a lot of time to post responses on here. I have to wonder why? But, I’m glad you spoke up about this. That kind of callous and cowardly behaviour is not acceptable in any profession. No one should tolerate it. I hope this person gets outed and shamed themselves.
Matt
I agree – said posts should be removed.
koko
That’s not what I was actually saying. The posts should remain. I would never suggest that any content be removed. That is for the site-owner and author to decide. I was merely drawing attention to the pattern of posting that myself and a friend observed.
Should they? Or by removing them to we just pretend they aren’t there? Who are we pretending for? I still have to read them, acknowledge them and understand them – it just protects everyone else – I want everyone to know what kind of people are lurking.
Brittany
Agreed, Sarah. Please leave the troll posts there. People need to see this stuff.
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IlyenAzElet
Craig, wipe off the Cheetoh dust from your mouth and fingers and take your limp dick back to Reddit, kthxbai.
Thanks for speaking up. Stalking is an illegal activity in the US – and if someone or someones are truly that focused on you – I would feel better if authorities were informed while you’re here. Protect yourself first.
All people, women and men, who take a stage are subject to judgement, abuse, adoration, appropriate attention and inappropriate attention. This is simply a fact – look throughout human history and we have many, many examples across cultures and time of what happens to those who speak up and out. We need to be strong, very strong, to do this job. I haven’t always been strong, and it’s caused me a lot of pain. Please don’t let this happen to you. You are a bright, shining star and I am honored to know you. Onward, upward. Much love, Molly
Just a designer/researcher, but I am writing to express solidarity. Try Ottawa region Canda for backwards climates re professional careers and associated income. I call the last bastion of chauvinism (men in the arts (shame, shame, shame!!!)fi fi. I can’t think of more standoffish fops than our confreres when considering women for web work. Does this beat posting a semi nude at one?
As I mentioned to your colleague Dr. Jensen-Inman, I am relatively new to the industry and I am ashamed to say I did not know that this even happened. I say ashamed because it is important that EVERYONE knows that this type of thing goes on. It has to stop and the first step (at least I think), is to educate people that it actually happens at all.
I think leaving our industry better than when we found it means making gender essentially irrelevant. What matters is the passion and the ideas, not their gender.
Thank you for speaking up. It took tremendous courage. If there is some way, however small, in which I can add my voice to some sort of campaign to stop this, I am ready, willing and able.
Ken Clench
I’ll speak. Gladly. Any size group, anyplace. Not going to let the haters scare me away, and good for you for not letting them win.
I’ve been in the industry since 1998 and have always wished I could make it to An Event Apart (alas, I live too far away & don’t have the $ for plane tickets). If I do someday, I will make a point to find you and say hello. 🙂
[…] Speaking up. | Sarah Parmenter, a web and UI designer.: “Six months ago, something happened to me that I kept quiet. Some of my best friends in the industry knew it was happening and tried to help as much as they could. I started writing a post back then about what happened, I got halfway through and found it too much. Coming back, maybe with a stronger disposition because of what happened with my Mum, I now want to share what occurred.” […]
Anonymous
Sarah, what has happened to you is disgusting and scandalous. There is no excuse for that.
However, drawing the conclusion that this is a problem rooted or prevalent in our industry as a whole is an unfair condemnation of all us in it who do respect and welcome our colleagues, regardless of gender (or color). Call me naive, but I firmly believe that this is still the majority of us. The support you got back then and now gives some proof to that our industry is not as bad as pictured here.
Please don’t get me wrong. I respect the good intention of your post. Speaking up against this appalling attack is the right thing to do. But speaking up with a post in which the roles are so clearly divided between men as the offenders and women as the victims is sexism, too. And I am sick of getting put into a big black pot and tarnished with the label “misogynist” just because I happen to be a man.
You say you do not know who the perpetrators are. And while you took care to be gender neutral about them, it gets clear from your later statements that you assume them to be male and from our industry. Maybe this is true. It certainly would fit some people’s stereotypes and probably even the odds. But maybe, it isn’t. For all I know from your post, it could just as well have been a female from your school days who is jealous that you married the guy she had a secret crush on.
Also, I do not think it’s fair to make what has happened to you an example of why woman are scared to speak in our industry. What has happened to you at “An Event Apart” is extraordinary and would be equally humiliating and embarrassing to all of us. Not just woman.
Likewise, I do not think it’s fair to relate what has happened to you to any (subjectively) inappropriate comments you seem to get on other occasions. What you had to endure there was clearly done with malicious, if not criminal, intent. This is not at all in the same league as some socially inept dude telling you that he didn’t like your talk because “he learns better from guys”. Granted, it’s an odd explanation for not liking your talk, but it’s nowhere close to the harassment you had to endure at “An Event Apart”. It’s like saying getting run over by bus is the same as bumping into the occasional pedestrian. You cannot put them on the same level without either downplaying the one or greatly exaggerating the harmfulness of the other. It also suggests a similarity in frequency that is likely untrue.
Frankly, I find it rather questionable to assume a sexism problem in our industry just because you are “getting comments, either about the way [you] look, or the fact that [you’re] *the* female, the token, the one they have to sit through in order for the males to come back on again.” Could it be you are just too touchy? I don’t perceive any of these to be particularly offensive or sexist, but rather as raunchy jokes – if anything at all. Ever heard women talk to each other at a Chippendale’s show?
And seriously, getting comments about your look? Like what? Like “she’s dressed like a slut”? Women say that all the time, don’t they? It’s just slandering. Or is it more comments like “Wow, she’s a hot blonde”? Well, believe it or not, but you *are* a hot blonde. Be happy about it. Besides, would you complain about that if it was $yourFavoriteActor saying it to you?
Now, I apologize if these last two paragraphs came across rude. The point I am trying to make is that a lot of what people claim to be sexism is really just a subjective impression of inappropriate communication. Communication requires empathy. Not everyone is good at that. But those people don’t necessarily also mean ill. The only cure to that problem obviously is more communication. If you feel offended by a comment, tell the person who offended you. I find it hard to believe that modern women of the 21st century are too scared to do that and would rather make themselves comfortable in a victim role.
Again, I condone what has happened to you. But this post will spark a number of responses now that will draw an inaccurate picture of our industry being full of chauvinist assholes, which will lead to even less woman getting attracted to it. Speaking up is good, especially when there is no one to single out (like in your case), but I wish you wouldn’t have done this in that generalizing way. The simple fact that there was a public backlash when you singled out the guy berating you during that other talk shows that we are not that ugly bunch.
Ironically, we have this very same discussion in Germany at the moment, just not limited to an industry. Search for #aufschrei on Twitter.
Sarah, thank you for being brave. I don’t have representational power over all of my gender, but I’d like to ask your forgiveness regardless. I’m embarrassed to be a man, and convicted to be more on my guard about treating all the women in my life and around me with kindness and respect. It’s easy to be a white dude and be complacent equity among people.
Hi Sara, i’m shocked when in the XXI century we still have that kind of “trolls” in our industry, and all the feedback you having just show you that the majority doesn’t event care about it.
I have the privilege to assist to at least 3 of your presentations in Europe, Lisbon, Brighton, …, and it always have been an inspiration, so keep on the good work, and just ignore all of that “trolls”.
Just a note apart, the other day i saw an interview in tv where was said that one of the biggest problem in the middle east countries and the reason of all the wars and conflits up there is because in that countries the “women” don’t have any politic “power” and “rights”, and you now what i TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
So ignore and move on 😉
Ugsome
My own spouse ostentatiously ignored me while I was giving a presentation in a roomful of *our* peers. No male ego shall be challenged anywhere, it seems.
Jan Mansfield
Sarah is my best friend and I was disgusted that she had to go through this. Yes it’s true that a) she is female and b) she is beautiful internally and externally but all of that is irrelevant when talking about her ability to do her job. Sarah took initiative at a young age to start her business and is entirely self taught- the fact that she has become so successful and well known in the industry is down purely to her hard work and dedication to her clients and to constantly learning and developing her skills. I am not in the industry but am disappointed that in 2013 there is still this ridiculous old fashioned sexism. Well done Sarah for speaking out and I hope you give other women the courage to do the same and that the small minority of men who behave in this fashion grow up!
Pauline
Hi Sarah, I’m sorry to hear that you had to go through such an ordeal. As a woman in the industry I have dealt with men who did not take me seriously but never with anything like this. Personally, I think that this is not about you being a woman in our industry but rather about your success. Like celebrities when you become more well known to the public the more you become an open target.
Sam
Seriously, why do women keep writing about this subject. Starting to annoy me a lot, not because it’s something that happens but because the way a woman feels there being violated because it happens to them. WAKE UP, IT HAPPPENS TO EVERYONE! I’ve seen guys get up on stage and be trolled by there Twitter or Facebook stream, I’ve seem them heckled off stage and I’ve seen women stand up and be cheered. It doesn’t really matter on your gender or who you really are, but how you act and the way you behaviour. If your an idiot regardless of your gender, your going to be trolled and laughed at. And as with any target on the internet, the easier you make it the more of a target you become, the more you play into the trolls the more likely you are to be attacked.
The one thing that’s always got me, women want equal rights, other religions want equal rights, everyone does but when they actually get it there not happy. We really want to be treated differently, to be shown were special. Well in our industry, your not. You want to be special, have the skills to show it regardless of your gender. Don’t try to blame your failures because your a female.
Seriously, GTFU
Rachel
It gets written about because it STILL FREAKING HAPPENS whether or not you (a man) hears about it. If a man were being trolled with pictures of his (alleged) micropenis, it’d still be news.
Complaining that someone else is complaining about a problem does not make the original problem go away. It’s still a problem whether you want to hear about it or not.
Mark
“If your an idiot”, “there not happy”…
If *you’re* going to call people idiots, first make sure you have a basic grasp of grammar, otherwise *they’re* just going to laugh at you.
Of course, they’re going to laugh at you anyway, because you’re a moron.
Craig
I concur. There more a speaker wants to dwell on their appearance/gender/sexuality the less faith I have in their technical ability. Even most of the people who make snide remarks will respect you eventually if you demonstrate some real technical ability and offer some useful insight.
Women just need to get over the fact that they can’t bypass a meritocracy with the standard whining and office politics tricks, as they do in many other arenas. I couldn’t care less whether you are are male or female if you bring something to the table or give an interesting talk, but if you want sympathy and encouragement you’re in the wrong game. People don’t attend tech conferences to listen to feminist rhetoric or empower idle women to feeling important, they go for the subject matter.
Matt
Unable to edit my previous entry, I want to point it directly at “Craig”.
I don’t see the article whining or asking for sympathy.
Matt
I really hope you’re not concurring with me. I don’t see anything you’re complaining about in the post. Your points are invalid.
You, also, can seriously GTFU.
You do realise that this isn’t about whining and office politics, but about really vulgar and sinister abuse? Did you even read what happened?
Jane
I don’t remember her saying that she spoke at tech conferences about feminist rhetoric.
Donald Ball
I’m sorry, did you read the article? The author wants people to *not* dwell on her appearance/gender/sexuality.
That you pivot immediately to decrying women whining and playing politics speaks volumes. You may want to examine your biases.
Stacy Vlasits
Hey Craig, you faceless whiney troll. No one cares if you–with your tiny intellect and insignificant technical triumphs–have “faith” in anyone’s “technical ability.” Stop hiding behind your anonymity and bravely open yourself up to the public version of the deep shaming that you evidently inflict on yourself each day.
Frode Steensen
You people disgust. Here is an individual who is exposed to sexual harassment og vile trolling of the kind men never are subjected to. These aren’t just “snide remarks” being made; Have you even read the article?
She is not asking for empowerment, encouragement or even sympathy. She is asking for an end to the misogynistic attacks that are making it really hard for people of her gender to enter the tech industry. As soon as we all are equally treated can we focus on the subject matter. Now stop making excuses for the mysogynstic trolls!
Matt
GTFU yourself.
There is no way the problem is equal and the effort by bigots like you should not be going into making the problem equal. How many men have you seen heckled off stage by an audience using sexual references? How many men in the industry have you seen photoshopped in any way whatsoever.
The issue being addressed here is sexual harassment of women, in this case, on stage. When does that happen to men? It’s got absolutely nothing to do with equal rights in exactly the same way that rape doesn’t happen to men with the same frequency as women.
The wrong to be righted here is not the equality – it’s the wrong of abuse.
So, seriously, GTFU yourself.
Unfortunately, this type of atitude is common for many other industries and discrimination is not just based on gender. I doubt we can do much to correct our society but we can do much better for our children and their society. Your post, strength and efforts make a change to a better world with less discrimination. Keep up the good job we need you!
Its courageous of you to talk about this. The biggest strength for these lowly creatures are the silence of the masses. Keep up the good work, try to ignore these trouble makers. Tomorrow will be a better day.
-From India
Anna Neil
Sarah I am sorry to hear this has happened to you I am shocked but not surprised. I have a teenage daughter who I am keen to work in the IT industry and eventually become an entrepreneur but I am also aware that this sexist background noise exists.
A friend Poppy Dinsey (@poppyd) had a similar experience to you a few years back. As a female I too have had photoshop’d images sent around the internet. My troll who I shall name and shame is Milo Yiannopoulos (@nero) he has attacked many females calling them every name from wh^&e to C$£t and worse on his blog soap box – The Kernel.
The problem is he is a protected troll with friends like Mike Butcher, Michael Arrington and Fred Destin protecting his outrageous behaviour.
Its sad that this behaviour still exists but the more we name and shame the more we can get these people to crawl back under their rock.
Craig
Don’t be keen to push your daughter into something that’s not her choice. She’ll resent it if she doesn’t feel she made the choice. Parents presumptuous decisions on their kids behalf are almost invariably terrible.
Caleb Feeler
I think your theory would be correct Craig. I am sure your parents pushed you into being intelligent, kind, and someone that would have some substance and merit. I see that you rebelled against that. Congrats.
Rachel
At least IT has a variety of careers available in it, from design and marketing to engineering and programming.
It’s a lot more liberating that being told you have to be a lawyer or a doctor…
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That is really sad to hear, and I hope you don’t paint all male developers with the same brush. While we don’t have a 50-50 ratio where I work, we are fortunate to have quite a few intelligent women in our engineering department, some of whom have spoken publicly in different forums, and I learn from them whenever I can. I don’t believe the actions of a few really stand for what the many believe, but we (as an entire community of both sexes) need to be more vocal in denouncing their actions and not allowing these types of things to take root.
Ben Morse
This is heartbreaking, and terrifying, and I’m so sorry that you had to deal with that. Thank you for writing this.
Thats really unfortunate, Where I live ( Albeta, Canada ) there seems to be 60 /40 men to women. And most of the women I know are holding down solid jobs at large global agencies.
Ignore the wannabe, im sure the boys feel threatened.
Craig
Maybe that’s why the tech scene in Canada is laughable, to put it kindly.
Super_Pickle
Go home Craig. You didn’t take a basic freshman high school class. You’re drunk.
Dude, you even fail at trolling. Miserably.
Oh well, guess everybody’s gotta have a talent.
Thank you for speaking up about how you’ve been treated. It takes courage, and I applaud that. I’m guessing that the industry environment contributes to your designating yourself a “girl” rather than the woman you are. Doubtless the latter would make you even more intimidating. Strong men value, appreciate and applaud women, especially strong women. Enough said.
Sigh. It would be nice if, while we’re fighting for the equality of women on far off shores, we got a little bit more of the same at home.
Did you really just compare battling online trolls with the war in Afghanistan?
It’s this kind of harrowing story that I hope makes every man in our industry realise that our behaviour and sensitivities in this matter must presently and always be exemplary and beyond reproach. We should call out any behaviour that falls short and much more, we should do everything we can to support and help heal those who are hurt and hopefully restore our community to wholeness and equilibrium.
autism spectrum
i’m a male on the autism spectrum and i am scared by women like you.
i’m scared i’ll say the wrong thing in any number of different ways and you’ll post about me on the internet.
we talk about bullying in schools.. but what is this?
i’m just a guy trying to do my best in the business world. don’t i deserve better?
azurelunatic
On the chance that you’re sincere and not a predator claiming a diagnosis as a cover-up for predatory and bullying behavior:
The sort of harassment that she encountered and wrote about here takes time and effort to put together, and is not the result of an off-the-cuff wrong remark. Interacting with other humans is fucking hard even without being on the spectrum. You have my deep sympathy for the fear of doing the wrong thing out of the best intentions and catching hell for it, but the actions of someone with no desire to hurt others and poor social skills do not actually read like most of the creepy fucking bullshit out there.
It has been my personal experience that someone (spectrum or not) who has poor social skills is likely to do the “accidentally creepy and then apologetic”, which is not the sort of interaction that bothers me personally. “Creepy and ‘socially awkward’ in private, but no hint of awkwardness when not alone together” is a mark of advanced social skills used in service of a creepy agenda.
The Geek Feminism wiki has a lot more on how blaming the autistic spectrum for creepy sexist behavior is inaccurate: https://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Autism_is_to_blame
I’m sorry that posts like this are contributing to your anxiety about interacting with other people, but having women keep silent about harassment is not the answer.
autism spectrum
I’m a female on the autism spectrum and I understand what you are saying about saying the wrong thing. I have that too.
You do know what bullying is though, it’s not the same as feeling bullied because we don’t know what to say sometimes.
This person deliberately and systematically did a campaign to discredit Sarah professionally. A nasty and vicious one, based on maximum damage and societal shame. Unfortunately for them, it didn’t work.
It’s hard to learn the difference when often basic social interactions can feel like a minefield, but please do. It’s worth it.
Craig
Is this just trollbait or..?
Tabitha
You should probably ask yourself that every time you’re about to click “Post Comment”.
Dan L.
Says the troll.
Don’t worry, boy. Nobody could ever take your shine.
I’m appalled. I’m struggling to come up with an appropriate series of words to accurately describe just how appalled I am without resorting to the most vile language I can imagine. Maybe it’s my South Alabama upbringing, but this is the not the type of thing a real man does. Whoever did this is in serious need of a serious “come-to-Jesus” meeting behind the nearest woodshed. I’m feeling a strong urge to pound them repeatedly about the head and shoulders until they beg me to let him go so he can grovel before you in public for forgiveness.
Cleatus
Done did show them there city slickers what for. *spit chewing tobacco*
It’s a Shared feeling, Bryan….
Thanks for speaking up. Hopefully the more we speak about this kind of thing happening, the less it will.
I’m so sorry this happened to you Sarah. I would not wish the pain of someone trying to damage and ostracize you on my worst enemy.
Kudos for speaking out about it. These things need to be talked about.
Craig
Tits or GTFO.
For serious? Stop talking.
Guessing your m00bies aren’t enough anymore?
Tim
NO U. LAWL. IMA TRWOLL LAWL. I MAKE U MAD> HARFP
Katie Orenstein
From one female to another, you are one of my heroes in the industry.
I hope that statements like this help make it all worth it.
+1 to this comment, Sarah! I’ve looked up to you from the for some time now, and always enjoy hearing you speak. I’ve received my fair share of scrutiny and as sad as it is, it’s nice to know I’m not alone in this. Horrified that this is even an issue in our day and age… but glad we have people like you to speak up about it. <3
This whole situation is making me sick with anger! I hear this happening over and over again and I just can’t believe just how fucked up our industry is in this century. Are we really that far behind the general public, where a courageous woman can have (realistic) hopes to become the president of the US and A? Are we in such closed circles? Is this some kind of secret society, where men give each other secret handshakes to disgrace other people?
I am very moved on how Zeldman reacted (and I would have expected nothing less)!
Who are these men who hate women? Do they honestly not realize that there will be always somebody who has something to share, who might know more then they do, no matter of gender?
I hope very much that my daughter one day will join a tech industry, that has overcome the bloody Middle Ages.
And if this can happen, then because of people like you, how are willing to stand up and speak up!
Even if we are not the most vocal group in the industry, many are standing beside you, to listen, speak up and help each other out!
Thank you for writing this up, Sarah!!
Craig
Au Contraire, far from the Middle Ages, STEM disciplines are the only areas left where raw ability still counts for everything. You’ll find Science, Engineering and Math mostly dominated by men too.
Wait…could it be that 1000s of years of men being genetically selected for their wit and cunning and women for their looks have made men *smarter* and better adapted for deep thought than women!? Curse the thought.
Andrew Scott
Craig, you’re no better than the spineless uneducated fool(s) that created the fake images and tried to bismurch Sarah. Get on ya bike n consider how it would feel if the boot were on the other foot.
Sarah – you know that in any circles the people with the loudest and most offfensive objections are the minority. Keep your chin up, my daughter thinks you’re an amazing role model and I’m prowd of her for it.
It’s up to the rest of us to stand up for what we really believe in and push these bigots into the depths of time.
PS my pet peeve with conferences is the girls used to sell crap software, via there skimpy bikkins – we need to boycott these conferences or at least the stands companies that have this sort of small minded sales taktics.
> “I felt ashamed; that I was almost letting them down by being a speaker and bringing all this hassle to their conference.”
I’m sure you know this already, but you didn’t bring any hassle. The deeply sad individual who’s harassed you brought the hassle. I hope they get the help they need/a rare, tragic finger-disabling disease.
Super_Pickle
Actually, if you had covered basic high school biology, you would know that parts of individual chromosomes swap randomly between the mother and the father chromosomes when creating eggs and sperm. Since those chromosomes are identical and they interchange between males and females during meiosis, any genetic abilities humans have are equally spread between genders. There are even genetic twins where one is male and the other is female. Exactly identical, minus the one chromosome our of that determines gender. There is no genetic superiority between genders, based on well founded scientific knowledge.
You don’t know basic high school biology. Your argument is invalid.
JS
Actually, not that simple. If what you’re saying is true, why women still generally have breasts and men don’t? The problem is that which of these genes get then transcribed and which don’t.
I think arguing for equality based on biology is wrong. It may well be the case that women (or other races) are on average worse in something. Or they have less variance in the ability, which results in skew among those best. Who cares?
Let’s put forward a moral argument – who cares? We should judge individuals as individuals, not based on group they come from.
In some cases even, we agree with positive discrimination, although we know in advance that it’s making society less efficient. Take disabled people for instance. Obviously, making things accessible costs money. Why we do it then? Because we are civilized.
Susan
Men do have breasts. They on average have slightly less breast tissue, but not always. I do agree that biology should not be relevant factors, especially since we have technology that can change pretty much all the relevant “natural” features. However, I also think it is important to keep pushing back against the incredibly-inflated notions of gender differences which people put forward as “natural” when they are more often the product of cultural and environmental factors, or overwhelmed by in-group heterogeneity.
Also, “positive discrimination” doesn’t make society less effective in practice when it is addressing systematic biases. Quite the opposite: when women’s inclusion in the top competitors at a math competition was guaranteed not only did the women actually perform better than the boys they beat but the boys performed better on average as well.
JS
I agree with all that. And it is true that positive discrimination works in elimination of these biases, for example it works quite well in India (which is pretty much obviously cultural).
However, I don’t think it’s always the case that biology of men and women is the same (on the group level). It’s very improbable, given that physical characteristics are on average different, that mental aren’t.
In fact, I am not sure if our societies (I am not American) can conduct such research honestly, precisely of fear of being labeled discriminatory by some.
And that’s why I would rather like to see people arguing morally about it (and consider research on group differences an interesting tidbit, at most), not based on biology, because I am worried that if we don’t do that, we paint ourselves into the corner, if the scientists find that there is a difference (although I wouldn’t consider a research based on race scientific, as opposed to research based on DNA).
So my example of positive discrimination was precisely chosen as a case where although we know it’s not less (albeit quite slightly) efficient, we still do that and don’t have a moral problem with it.
@super_pickle Brilliant rebuttal, now THAT is how you win an argument. Made me smile, nice one.
Wow, I guess some d00des still tell themselves that. Who knew?
Ted Lilley
Wow, a brilliant theory on how intelligence is genetically linked to the Y-chromosome. We’ve got a new Nobel laureate in the making.
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound to anyone with half a brain?
Ugsome
Yes, in fact curse it, as it has no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.
Craig
You mean Sarah Palin? Have you seen how clueless and vacuous that women is? If anything, it shows how dangerous things become when women are allowed to turn everything into office politics and cult of personality.
Tabitha
Uh, I think he means Hillary Clinton, who is not clueless and vacuous at all. Nice try, though.
Heikki
I would say Hillary had quite realistic chance to make it as the US president, without that nasty african-american guy or the mispoken truths about her trip to Bosnia on her way.
btw. Did you know women are the majority in management in US.? Not trying to make a point, just thought it was interesting.
Alexa
Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Taotsu is obviously talking about Hillary Clinton. You know, the Secretary of State? The almost-winner of the 2008 Democratic nomination? The almost certain 2016 Democratic nominee? Ring any bells?
Jack Repenning
Love the visibility this post is getting! I suspect “making the problem visible” is one of the best remedies we have available.
Craig
Maki
Except that here, the next step after “raising awareness” is for twitterites to, you know, stop being awful. It sounds like author lady doesn’t have direct control over internet annons, else this fiasco wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
Of course, with you being so witty and smart, what with your well-placed and not at all derailing link, you can probably come up with a whole slew of solutions to all our author’s problems! Why don’t you get right on that.
I can relate to Sarah’s post, because I am a person of colour, also largely “invisible” in this industry. It is full of privileged white males, the vast majority have Empathy Deficit Disorder (EDD). It makes them lash out at others not like them because they feel so threatened and insecure at looking at anything that is not exactly the same as them. You all need to grow the **** up. It’s not enough to chime in “Hear, hear!” What are you doing about it? Nothing. Do you ever complain at events when ALL of the speakers are white men? Of course not. Don’t you think you might actually have something to learn from the rest of the world, and that might actually make the technology we use and the way we live and think better? Of course not. Sad: so, so sad.
Heikki
Do I ever complain when a Jewish wins the nobel price and not an arab? Hardly.
I just came back from Swedish Java Conference, JFokus. I don’t see color or sex on stage, but since you mention it I was forced to check. From foreign speakers, most were from India, I asked one of the organization how many african americans submitted a paper, after some silence the answer was zero. List these great ignored technology leaders and I’ll be the first to suggest that they’ll be invited next year.
I agree, Jack. Shine some light on it and maybe it’ll scurry away!
This is horrible! I am glad you are speaking out about this, and I wish we could find out who this asshole is!
I am a software developer, and my wife is about to start Dev Bootcamp to become a web developer herself and the thought of her or any other female being subjected to this kind of abuse just because of her gender really upset me.
Rock on, and always remember, when people try to bring you down it only means that you are above them!
You know it’s exactly this kind of crap we have to thank for our utterly boring workplaces. As a man with 17 years in the industry, I can’t believe how guys in their 40s and 50s still act like they are in middle school sometimes with how they think it’s hilarious to bust balls, and now to read this – disgusting.
It’s ironic, and depressing, that companies will hire brainstorming consultants to help people “think creatively” because most businesses are so stuck in a men-driven world that chases the bottom line and control at all costs that they can’t innovate to save their lives. The few times I’ve worked closely with female engineers has always been a breath of fresh air – they don’t have the same pompous attitude and usually are quicker to pick up on things because of it. They also tend to be more interesting to talk to as a coworker and see alternate patterns not always obvious to us men.
It’s unfortunate that such despicable actions done by a few could do such damage. Huge props for speaking up and here’s hoping you both never have to deal with this again, and maybe even get some PR out of the whole thing that comes around as good karma for you somehow.
Fedor Steeman
Where’s the like button! I fully endorse this!
“I felt ashamed and that I was almost letting them down by being a speaker and bringing all this hassle to their conference.”
I can definitely see how this feeling might come up. But I think it’s super-important to remember that these shenanigans are *not your fault*. Especially since the tactic the trolls often turn to after you speak out is, “everything was fine until you spoke out and brought this hassle to our community!”
The trolls are the hassle. Not you.
Hey Sara! I saw you at an Event Apart:DC and I want to say thanks for speaking out. I’m proud to have women like you to look up to. Being a woman in a tech field is hard enough and jerks like this just make it worse for everyone else.
You are so inspiring and I hope to be a speaker someday soon.
Very well said Sarah, and it’s a shame (read bullshit) that you’ve had to put up with this behaviour.
I applaud your efforts, speaking in front of people is one of the hardest things to do, while speaking behind a twitter client on a back channel is the easiest things to do. I’m sure these people will get their comeuppance.
Industry folk: Get your shit together and stop being rude (not everyone, you know who you are). If you don’t like someone’s talk then write down the bits that you think didn’t work, add some bits that you think would improve the talk and get in touch with the speaker with some constructive criticism. If they disagree then so be it but I think you’ll find they’ll be happy you approached it that way.
MRdNk
We’re not all assholes, keep giving talks, keep writing code / designing. Most of us like women, don’t care who the talker is. And mostly keep talking about this topic.
All, lets try to get this crap out of our industry, we have enough shit to deal with, without this kind of crap.
sarah
this is just another instance of how we are still living in a sexist society …. it takes tech groups, or other male dominated industries for it to really come out …
its a bit like the playground mentality ….. the more of them there together, they feel safe to voice their feelings …
Sad but true 🙁
I am a woman, who’s happy being a woman… and who loves and appreciates men for just being men …
Whats it gonna take for the same in return??
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Dan
Why not startup a girls only conference? (if they don’t already exist). It might help bring out girls who are afraid to speak and get confidence.
Thank you for speaking out. For a long time I assumed the rampant sexism in the industry was an “older man’s idiocy.” Now that I’ve been in the industry over 30 years I’m horrified to see it continue to thrive.
And to Kathy Sierra, thank you for continuing to be present. I never had the privilege of seeing you present live, and understand why.
I know you’ve got 160 comments already, but here’s another one. Thankyou for speaking out. This behaviour is completely unacceptable, and I have made it my personal resolve to call out any behaviour that belittles or targets women in such a way that I ever encounter in any professional context as inappropriate and something that I personally will not tolerate. I wish you all the best with a continued great speaking career, and hope to see more women proudly join you on the podium.
Alice Wonder
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I don’t know you and am not familiar with your work, but this is the kind of thing that really gets under my skin and ticks me off.
I hope whoever did this is found, I don’t know what laws are in your part of the world but I suspect this kind of behavior may violate character assassination laws. Whether it is high enough priority for law enforcement to do anything about it…
Anyway, I’m sorry this happened to you and I hope the jerk responsible is found.
Chris
I’m sure a lot of the people here are well intentioned, but “ignore the idiots” is terrible advice. I mean, this post in itself is evidence that it’s NOT about “having a thick skin” or whatever, it’s about real, tangible harassment and retaliation.
It’s not just up to the brave individuals to stand up and take the storm of hate. We, as a community, as a society, need to make it not ok for this to happen. This is OUR responsibility, not just that of the speakers et al.
Nima
This behaviour makes me ashamed of being a dev.
But it seems like you are a pretty strong person, keep up the good work !
Sarah, I hope these messages here, and the tweets give you some comfort and hope for our industry.
I haven’t been fortunate enough to catch one of your talks yet, but have seen some fantastic talks in the past couple of years by such a wonderful and wide variety of people, that I perhaps naively didn’t think this sort of thing happened. Thanks for sharing the story, and I truly hope that this sort of incident is something that we don’t have to keep tackling.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Sarah.
Geraldine Gray
Thank you for sharing and for not being silenced by the bully. You are very brave. Well done.
Every time you speak publicly just remind yourself: “if it was easy everyone would do it” and take the praise.
Sarah,
I can’t begin to imagine what you have been going through, but you have shown great courage in speaking up about these experiences. I hope that everyone in the creative industry takes some time out of their day to read this post.
It is shameful that some people would treat you or anyone else in this way and it is particularly concerning that there are some in our industry who could behave like this.
I’m a man of few words, but although I have only met you a couple of times, I like many others can say that you are an excellent speaker and I have learnt a whole lot more in one day about designing apps for mobile devices on your iOS course than anywhere else.
You are incredibly talented and very engaging as a speaker/teacher and above all a professional.
I am pleased that there are so many in our industry that are either here showing their support now or have been supporting you through this over recent months.
Neil
Ignore the idiots. Stay confident in yourself, your message and your abilities. Accept the support of everyone, male and female, wanting more equality throughout the industry. But most importantly, keep on highlighting the inequality that, stupidly, we still have.
Peter Figasinski
Thank you for sharing your experience with the community at large! I think for every idiot out there that would wish you harm there are thousands and thousands of people who are your friends and your fans. You certainly have a new fan in me. Stay strong!!
Sometimes I wonder if people would treat me differently if I weren’t married. Sometimes there’s an abrupt shift in tone or conversation when I mention “my husband,” regardless of whether or not the other person can perceive my marital status via wedding band or social network status.
Why am I talking about my marital status? Because Bad Things like this haven’t happened to me. But I know and am friends with a good deal of women speakers not married to men who have had bad experiences like the above. I do not know any women married to men who have had these run-ins. (But then, perhaps that’s statistics. Perhaps married women are less likely to stick around in a field that is openly hostile to them. Or perhaps there are fewer married women in the field to begin with. Someone has the numbers, but not I.)
It’s just an observance, no statistical anything to back me up here, but it makes me wonder: are there a bunch of jerks in this field who only show their true colors when in the presence of single women? Is it because they feel entitled to all “untethered females?” Or is it that they don’t fear “angry-husband repercussions” for their behavior?
I know things were different for me when I was single in comics. They were a lot more like the worst stories I hear in this industry. When I got married and transitioned to this industry, I felt like the vibes were completely different. But maybe it’s not the attitudes that are different. Maybe it’s my marital status.
Brian Sletten
Please do keep speaking. We need more women in the industry. It’ll take courage on your part and for more men to speak up that this is intolerable. Which, it undeniably is. Thank you for shining a light in a dark corner. Let’s make it smaller and then disappear.
Sarah, for what it’s worth, I find it so much easier to read what girls in the industry write as opposed to the guys (even the really big and popular one’s).
You’re a great example to aspiring designers of all sexes and a wonderful speaker. Keep at it.
disgusting this stuff happens and sadly I can relate to some of it. good on you for not letting the idiots win. thanks for sharing so others know they aren’t alone
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Excellent post. It will help raise the veil & expose a lingering, nasty remnant of the adolescent immaturity of the industry. I really believe it’s a developmental issue that will pass with time. ITMT, props to all the strong & resourceful women who put up with the BS to move us all forward. Thanks, Sarah.
Alfonso Adriasola
As a software engineer and a father of two girls I appreciate you bringing this up. I hope that by the time they are old enough to choose a career they wont have to deal with sexism like you have had to. Thanks for standing up for yourself, and for them too.
Keep on doing what you’re doing, Sazzy – we’re designers, not politicians. None of us signed up for this, and you don’t deserve it.
Keep doing what you’re doing, hopefully there will be a few blackhats that figure out who it was.
When I read ” I’ve had one guy come up to me in a bar and say (after explaining he didn’t like my talk)… “no offence, I just don’t relate to girls speaking about the industry at all, I learn better from guys”” I thought how awesome it could be if a woman and a man panellist swapped their presentations and gave each other’s without telling the audience and then compared the audience reaction to each of them – and then told them.
Fantastic idea! Perhaps it’s already been done? Awesome to think that conventions might already have been turned on their heads and audiences weren’t aware of it. Something to ponder.
Thank you for sharing, Sarah. What you went through must have been very painful and it took a lot of strength to write this post. The fact that you did it is very significant; you contributed to a movement.
I am like you and frequently find myself to be the only woman in the room. It takes pain and strength to push through barriers and you should be very proud of where you are. The next generation, men and women alike, will be better off for what you’ve done.
I am sitting at a Jiffy Lube right now in Redmond, Washington, gearing up for a day where I am going to try to talk corporations in New York City into giving me money to train women to get software development jobs. Most of them will wish me luck and shrug their shoulders. I am trying not to tear up while I am reading this post a second time. I am getting mad, and getting more and more resolute. Thanks for making today not about a quota, but about a goal. http://ladycoders.com.
I love the web community. And, to be frank, few time I have thought that there’s too much fuzz being made about encouraging women to participate in it, as I assumed that women should (and do) get an equal treatment.
Then I read something like that.
I can’t express how sorry I feel about what has happened to you.
I hope it won’t stop you or other people from being active members of the community. I still believe that most of the people in the web crowd are decent and utter idiots won’t dictate the discourse.
[…] There’s many questions around why there aren’t more females speaking in this industry. I can tell you why,they are scared. Everytime I jump on stage, I get comments, either about the way I look, or the fact that I’m the female, the token, the one they have to sit through in order for the males to come back on again. One conference, I even had a guy tweet something derogatory about me not 30 seconds into my talk, only for me to bring up the point he had berated me for not bringing up, not a minute later – which caused him to have to apologise to my face after public backlash. I’ve had one guy come up to me in a bar and say (after explaining he didn’t like my talk)… “no offence, I just don’t relate to girls speaking about the industry at all, I learn better from guys”. Sarah Parmenter […]
I think that what I’ll be saying here has already been said all over these comments, but I have to say it anyway for my peace of mind.
I always liked to see a girl to act strong and to do things that are commonly associated with men only. We live in a society where the equality between genres is a fact, but there’s still some discrimination created only be men who have old and, imo, idiot attitudes. Women are different then men, and by having more women in tech and design will definitely bring more insights, ideas and approaches to this area.
About trolls, unfortunately the only thing to do is ignore them, and defend yourself, as you just did, when it’s a public matter, so never stop doing your thing, no matter how opposing some people are.
I have worked as a front end web developer in two different corporate environments in the last 12 months, and each time, my team was 80% male at least. However the female developers on our teams, at least from what I experienced, were well respected and treated as equals, their gender being no issue at all.
Although you often find that female developers are in the minority on any software team, this is changing slowly and hopefully attitudes will improve. All people in our industry should be judged on the quality of their work, and harassment based on gender, race or any other irrelevant quality should never be tolerated. Sadly there are unpleasant individuals in any industry and I hope that women are not put off entering into the web industry because of your unfortunate experiences and the behaviour of a small minority.
Kevin Way
I felt ashamed and that I was almost letting them down by being a speaker and bringing all this hassle to their conference.
Please know that I (and most others) would never feel this was your responsibility, at all! Not even a little.
These were the despicable actions of a noxious coward
Nick
Which one of those horrible porn sites did they upload the pictures to? Which one?
Holy wow, I had NO IDEA this kind of stuff happened. And I’m looking at speaking at my first event this year. If I wasn’t scared (which I was), I am now. Of course, I’ll use that fear to fuel my being that much more awesome that I would’ve been before!
Thanks for bringing this to the surface. At least I can be prepared for whatever happens.
It’s great that you’ve told us your feelings about the subject and it’s totally sad that you had to since you had to go through an ugly situation like this. Really wish you didn’t.
Even though I’m a guy, I really hate sexism; seeing women as incapable when compared to men is just absurd.
Although we can’t change the fact that there are idiots in the community, hopefully we will come to a better place.
Take care! 🙂
Thanks for speaking up. Here’s hoping more men do the same when they see this kind of stuff happening. I’ll certainly try to.
Edmond
You exhibit a lot of courage by sharing this. I hope things do improve, for you and for us in the community.
Ana
Not just scared to speak at conferences, been scared at work too. Never know what I will encounter – threats were all to common at one company.
It’s a push and pull. Don’t want to stay down – want a better place for my daughters. But, don’t want to get hurt either – who will take care of them then.
I stick to small stuff so far – teaching at univ, user groups – generally friendlier and more respectful.
I’ve heard a lot of people say they were afraid to speak at events and had always assumed they meant nervous about speaking in front of others. My professional community tries to promote being a new speaker, and it is a very diverse community. I can’t say that we are always successful at making everyone feel like they should be up there speaking, but at least we try and anyone that tries to prevent it whether it be because of sex, race, or any other difference is definitely the exception.
Good luck, and keep at it. Don’t let them keep you from speaking because that’s how they truly win.
Kathy Sierra
Speaking out can be far more more dangerous than whatever it is that “earns” the initial trolling (usually, just bring a woman with some visibility in the tech world is enough). While I applaud any woman or man with enough courage to speak out, the consequence of doing so can lead to unimaginable damage that may never end. I don’t say this to discourage people from speaking out, but to say that we are probably hearing from only the tiniest sliver of those who experience something like this.
Those who wish to both silence the victims and discourage others from “complaining” are masters of spinning the one speaking out as “an attention whore” “manipulative” or simply, someone who lacks the maturity to be “on the Internet”. They spin even the most vile and horrific photos and messages as simply, “oh, boo hoo someone was mean to you on the internet!” and meanwhile, many of the people I respect most in the tech world hail some of these people as “activists” fighting for our rights to free speech and freedom from oppression.
Breaks my heart a little more each week to see what new horror is dumped on another woman in tech (yes, men too, but far more and much worse for women). But it breaks my spirit even more to see how some of my tech peeps continue to somehow justify and respect the WORST of them, in some cases hailing them as geek/folk heroes.
And to those who continue to say it’s just “people being mean online, nothing would ever happen in real life!” I will remind you of the online attack on the epilepsy forums which *caused seizures*. That more people do not suffer physical assault from online abuse is most likely because it is nearly impossible to do so. But sure enough, when an orchestrated collection of “trolls” discovered a way they COULD create real-life, physical damage (FYI: every seizure carries the potential for death while also creating further brain damage — these bastards are lucky nobody died), they jumped at it.
The myth of the “teenagers in a basement who wouldn’t hurt anyone FOR REAL” is one we must stop perpetuating. This kind of abuse can and DOES spill into real life, though often in ways only the victims (and their families) full experience.
One of the most notorious trolls on the Internet told the New York Times he was in it to “ruin lives for the lulz”. One of those lives was mine. This sh*t needs to stop, and the longer we tolerate it, the worse it is becoming.
Thank you *both* for speaking out — for your courage now, Sarah, and for your courage many times before, Kathy. Yes, there are reasons why some of us women in this industry have chosen to keep a low profile when we could have been public leaders. I chose not to put myself and my family through this, but the women (like you both) that do put themselves out there have my utmost respect.
Other than publicly calling out and shaming the trolls, what can we do? Not a rhetorical question; I really want to know.
I believe the reason there aren’t more women speakers in the industry isn’t fear of retribution, but a desire to appear humble and avoid confrontation.
Even though every child, male or female, is taught that it’s impolite to draw attention to yourself and assume authority on a subject, somewhere along the line it seems like men learn to ignore those teachings, whereas women hold on to them. I believe women are reluctant to give presentations because they think it would be arrogant or presumptuous to imply that they are an expert on a subject, or to put forward an opposing opinion. I think the thought that goes through a woman’s mind when she considers public speaking is, “there are probably hundreds of people more qualified than me to talk about this subject, it would be arrogant of me to stand up and act like an expert. And what if somebody calls me on it? What if somebody exposes me for the impostor I am?”
I have no doubt those same thoughts run through a man’s mind too, but for some reason men are able to push past those reservations, whereas women believe it’s more “polite” to be “humble,” regardless of their expertise.
Karen Lopez
Also, I bet many female speakers will be afraid to comment. Because even commenting on such topics makes one either a prude or a slut. I keep getting confusing feedback on this, so I’m not sure.
Oh Sarah…you’re a brave girl for speaking out. Well – you can see the support here! One of my friends got up on stage and got told she couldn’t be taken seriously because of her fake boobs…not that they ARE fake…and who would make a comment like that about any guy?
Anyway…I GET you. wishing you the best, sista.
Yours Kath
Karen Lopez
I’ve been through all of that. Either I’m speaking only because I’m female, I’m the tired non-technical speaker because females can’t be technical, or I’m a “level 100” speaker because my topics (design and architecture) aren’t the same as the elite spit and pipes speakers.
Thanks for sharing this. I’m sure there will be backlash, somewhere.
Thank you for writing this, and I hope more people do it more often.
Thank you for writing this. Women understand that this type of intimidation happens all the time. The vast majority of men would never engage in this kind of behavior and would be appalled to know about it. They are mostly unaware how pervasive the problem is. You’ve educated a lot of people by speaking out, and that can only help.
Fuck ’em. They’re all ugly and douchey.
Ben
1. Sounds like pure envy.
2. Envy is human nature.
3. Don’t take it personal.
Many thanks for sharing and – please – rock on!
Bruce McGlory
yeah, don’t take it personally that they constantly and repeatedly attack you for being female. Just suck up and deal! like Ben DOESN’T HAVE TO DO.
Thanks Sarah for speaking up about this.
Openness is the only way to disinfect the shame related to this type of trolling.
Ignore the dick heads Sarah. Keep doin’ ya thing.
Best regards,
Chris
Thank you for speaking up about this. People need to be aware of just how bad the tech industry can be in this regard. Because I am a guy, it can be easy to forget (I imagine women don’t forget this easily) or “gloss over” the problem without even trying to consciously perpetuate it.
Everyone, men especially, need to work harder to fight sexism (and every other -ism), especially in the tech industry.
Sarah,
Well done for speaking up. Credit to you. It’s a bit of a wake up call to realise that this kinda crap still goes on. When inappropriate behaviour like this happens, it’s best to get it out in the open.
Let me tell you that I’d happily hunt down this troll scumbag and those like him. By getting your story out there this might actually happen. I hope so!
He and the guys who act like him, are simply idiots. Inarticulate fools who are essentially bullies hiding behind the internet. It’s time to call them out and simply ask.. wtf are you playing at? WTF man!!! What did you hope to gain by being a dick!?
NB : I’ve been in the IT industry for twenty years now and the best programmers and designers I’ve ever worked with are women. I’ve also heard all the male bitchy comments from “dicks” who are simply too stupid to realise that they are threatened not by those women, but by their own inadequacies.
I have been inspired by this lady since the first time I saw her work – even came close to working with her on a project once. Consequently, it is sad to think that someone would stoop so low as to attempt to hurt someone who does so much good for this community. You certainly have my support @sazzy.
I look forward to seeing what you have planned next and finding out how I can help. Until then, stay strong and feel empowered knowing that there are so many people, some you don’t even know personally, behind you.
I am so sorry that you had to write this post.
I want to give you all the support I can. Not just to be nice or because its the right thing to do, but for two amazingly self serving reasons.
1. I have a daughter and I want her to do whatever she damn well wants to do without jerks pulling her down. I also don’t want to have to go to prison because some brogrammer mouthed off and I had to smack him.
2. The industry is better with your voice in it. You are an excellent speaker and we need more diversity on our industry to make it better.
Thank you for sharing. I hope that your experience serves as a warning to organizers of conferences and related forums that a tiny bit of moderation and expectation-setting goes a long way.
I’m sorry this happened to you.
Kudos, Sharon, for speaking up! I recently became aware that this sort of thing not only still exists (foolish me, for having assumed we had evolved beyond such idiocy) but is all too common. Allow me to apologize for the behavior of some of the baser members of my gender.
It’s crucial that women who experience this sort of thing speak up about it, as so many men seem to think it’s just isolated instances. I’m seeing the contrary… it seems to be rampant, and the women that speak up about it become pariahs. As a consequence, a lot of women apparently suffer in silence.
Which, to me, makes it even more crucial that men stand up against it. Unfortunately, it’s too easy for some people to discount what they haven’t personally seen and may perceive as an assault on their own gender. Maybe hearing it from “one of their own” will receive more attention.
As far as I’m concerned, a man that witnesses such behavior and doesn’t step up and speak out is just as bad as the perpetrator, as he’s enabling it. I don’t attend conferences anymore, so I can only speak out online now. Shining a little light on it can only help, IMO.
Not being US based, it’s sad to see this happening all over. It’s spread on most IT communities, everywhere.
It’s easy to see why many girls think twice before choosing an IT career.
Here in Brazil there is even an prejudice which most man think girls don’t fit for programming. It’s true that a woman and man have different profiles and most IT woman would prefer managing or some more analytic side, but that does not mean that we can’t have great woman programming. Ada, for instance, was the first of all.
I do feel very happy, though, to see this issue exposed and all the great positive feedback your are receiving. It means we do have a large share of people that understands that issue and are in favor of equals chances and treatment to all genders.
Thank you for sharing your experience Sarah. The more we hear about incidents like this, the harder it is to ignore them as one-offs or freak occurrences.
I’ve seen your post has already encouraged other women to share similar experiences, so please allow me to share mine as a male.
I have been on the web design speaking circuit for 9 years now. In that time, you can probably guess how many times I have been personally attacked. Correct: not once. I have had my ideas challenged, but no one has ever made it personal.
That is the privilege of my gender. Anyone who would try to discount anonymous abuse of high profile members of our industry needs to know that it is, in fact, unequal.
Dave
If you dont know who did it, how do you know it was a man?
Patrik Larsson
Thank you for bringing this forward. It’s horrible that you were forced to endure this!
You’ve suffered, but also know that you have the support from hundreds if not thousands of other designers in the world that would do anything to stop this from happening again.
Again, thank you for speaking up, it was very brave!
You’re a source of inspiration!
As a man I’m ashamed of what my gender can do. Please, keep up the good work braking the silence and exposing this sexist behavior behing the scene. I wish the field welcomed more women instead of scaring them.
@Matt: “One only has to look at the sexist advertising at shows like E3 and CES where “booth babes” are dressed up to parade around and help sell the latest games and gadgets. As a society, by allowing that to continue, we’re really still saying that’s acceptable. And it’s not.”
I agree. This sexism against men, where you as a male implicitly is told that nobody ever would want your ugly ass face to help sell products, has got to stop. Both women AND men should be given the oppurtunity to be admired as beautiful.
Stump Beefgnaw
the point
your head
Stump Beefgnaw
Well, that failed spectacularly. Much like Martin’s comment.
jackie
Thank you for sharing what must have been a very painful episode for you. Keep up the good fight! You are an inspiration to the rest of us.
I thought we all worked in an equal, friendly and encouraging industry – I am totally shocked that this kind of thing happens!
I am glad you have spoken out to bring a greater awareness of this completely unacceptable behaviour and can only hope that the person responsible is outed and dealt with as an example to others.
Aaron Gustafson
Wow. Thank you for speaking up on this Sarah. This is awful and speaking about it is the first step toward addressing behavior like this.
Please let me know if I can help in any way.
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kate de moore
I am so sorry that you had to endure this. And IT IS NOT acceptable. I cannot tell you how disappointed in our society I am that after all these years we seems to have made such little progress in the war on sexism. I thought, in my youth, that none of this would affect my daughters. I could not have been more wrong. I am saddened that they, as young women, are subjected to the same harassment, humiliation and objectification that characterized my own youth. Shame on all of us.
This situation is infuriating. I’m thankful you spoke up and enlightened the community of what’s happening. And I’m glad that you’re not going to let this beat you down and stop you from future successes. Truly inspiring to professionals of all genders.
Thanks for sharing… I was at that conference – you, among all the other speakers, were a huge inspiration to me. It was my first Event Apart and it changed my career forever. Stay strong, keep up the great work, and keep speaking! I have to think that the number of good people outweigh the shitty ones. 🙂
I’m often dumbfounded by the active denial that surrounds this entire issue; glad more people are sharing stories like this.
I believe that sometimes boys will be boys and in some situations we say or do stuff that would seem bad when viewed from the outside looking in.
Things can always look bad out of context and it can be difficult to interpret what is strictly banter and what is actually sexist and comes from a place of jealously, hate or ignorance.
However it’s obvious that such extremes as these go far beyond the usual discussions of sexism that are periodically raised and into something that is clearly abhorrent and has no place in a modern society.
It’s gone further than a few off the cuff comments and instead is just bullying and harassment. It’s unfortunate this person thinks such actions are acceptable; if only he spent more time looking for professional help he could have a positive impact on the world around him rather than trying to bring happy and successful people down to his sordid level.
Though it can be difficult to ignore such a personal attack remember there’s many more out there who haven’t just evolved from the caveman attitude and are happy to hear what you have to say.
LNNS
That “boys will be boys” sentiment is exactly the problem, though…
How so? Surely in the company of like minded people we can be and say what we wish so long as it causes no harm.
Then when our environment changes we adapt and respect that what we may say or do in one instance may no longer be appropriate and could cause offense.
In such instances we’re not hiding our true selves but instead simply being more empathetic to those affected by our actions.
LB
By saying “boys will be boys” you are saying that this type of sexist behavior is a natural, inherent action that all men/boys do. It’s not. It’s a learned behavior, and by saying “boys will be boys”, you are excusing them of their absolutely horrible behavior by pushing it aside as an uncontrollable, natural instinct. That’s an apologist attitude, and does nothing to help the situation – in fact, it sets us back further.
Men should be nothing than embarrassed at this situation and should take serious offense at your comment that “boys will be boys” because it means you’re telling them that they are simply not capable of being well-behaved.
I am so sorry about this — I have had my share of online/tech harassment and it is not fun. It is degrading and hurtful and down right terrible. You are such an inspiring, powerful and brave woman for speaking out about this.
Thank you for posting.
Natalie @ntljk
Sarah you are far and away one of the best speakers I have had the opportunity to see.
It is a great shame that someone thinks that this kind of behaviour, is or has ever been acceptable.
I hope to see you at another event in the near future.
Hi Sarah,
Really good post, couldn’t quite say I enjoyed it as the topic was obviously distressing and very personal. I felt quite uncomfortable as I read it and judging by the tone of the post, its upset you greatly.
Unfortunately, the nature of your industry and your visibility could mean this type of vile behaviour may happen again.
I can’t relate as a male who’s never experienced such awful disrespect, but can only liken it to the vile abuse some in media receive based on nothing more than appearance and ability to reach a wide and varied audience.
The type of harassment you’ve experienced is reserved generally for those who are doing well. I can only draw comparisons with the fact that these idiots have targeted you because they they feel threatened.
Anything I write probably won’t help, but I wish you the best of luck
Hi Sazzy,
I’m ashamed of our industry in the respect that there aren’t enough women joining us, or as you said, enough that have the thick skin to do so.
Women such as yourselves, Amber Weinberg, Rachili, Laura Kalbag etc have shown and taught me so much about our industry. It’s about time other men grow some balls and realise that the other sex are just as good, if not better for our industry.
Real men know about Grace Hopper and what she did for the world. They appreciate her efforts. So what’s wrong with bringing more women who truly have something special to bring to it?
Again, I’m ashamed and appalled of an industry I’m so proud to work in.
James
Bravely done Sarah. I feel your pain and have suffered many of the sad experiences that you have too. Although I must say, most people are well-intentioned. It’s just sad there’s a very vocal minority out there who are not fully in touch with the modern world.
Support and strength,
Angie
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Bob
I’d play a violin to ease your sorrows but I cannot find one small enough.
In this community, *everyone* gets trolled. You are not special.
Stay strong, most people have admiration for you and your work, others will always be jealous of that.
This cowardly bullying of women at the forefront of the IT industry happens far too often, and we should have zero-tolerance for it.
Adrian Turner
THANK you for being so awesome and brave to share this with the community.
I’m PRAYING for your strength and that you continue to move forward despite the actions of a few cad’s.
Thanks for sharing your story.
Keep fighting, you are a great example to follow.
Regards from Buenos Aires.
Thank you for sharing Sarah.
I can’t tell you how deeply ashamed I am every time I read stories like this about men behaving like little boys in our industry, and there are a lot of examples.
Trends such as “brogramming” scare me deeply as I would never have imagined something like that making it’s way into our culture.
https://theweek.com/article/index/227356/brogramming-the-disturbing-rise-of-frat-culture-in-silicon-valley
Keep on being a role model and know that there are people of the opposite sex who are ashamed over what others are doing and who are not afraid to speak up if we see abuse like this happening.
I’m really sorry to hear you’ve had to go through something like this. Here’s hoping the attention you’re bringing to the issue goes towards erradicating it, not only our industry but society in general.
Having listened you you speak at Hull Digital and New Adventures in previous years and also having spent 2010/2011 doing the “UK Conference Circuit”, I can honestly say that I think in both instances you definitely justified your place on those panels and were in no part a “Token”.
Your talks were both informative, useful and relavant to me starting out and I still draw on my notes to this day.
It’s also great to hear you’re not going to let this effect your future participation in this sort of thing.
Consider this to be my encouragement to you to keep doing what you do as from what I’ve seen you’re one of the better conference speakers.
Hi,
there is currently a discussion about sexism ongoing within german speaking countries. The issue came up last week after rude behaviour by a politicion became publicly known. Almost instantly, the discussions hashtag #Aufschrei trended on Twitter.
People of all over Germany, Austria and Switzerland are posting their experience with daily-life sexism, issues are recepted within the blogosphere…
Maybe a simiar thing should be started in english – maybe #Outcry?
For my part I just hope that discussion doesn’t go on pre-judging people based on there sex. I’m male. I don’t discriminate. I act against sexism, whenever it comes up. But still, unfortunately, for some feminists, I’m just another male, the same as all the others. That is very frustrating. Because in the end we’re all human, and we should be kind to one another, regardless of gender.
Best regards,
Martin
The world is filled with a lot of sad sexist tossers, you shouldn’t of had to go through this. I suspect that the person (or people) behind this must have a microscopic penis. Please continue doing your great work. Thanks for writing this post and sharing your story, and remember, you’re not just an inspiration to women, but a big inspiration to men too!
It’s incredibly sad to read about how we, the males in this industry, are the main roadblock for there being more gender equality here. One hears about ‘boys-club’ mentality in plenty of professions as it is, and this particular profession, being so new to the game, should have really skipped that phase.
Thank you for sharing this, lets hope it starts changing the tide.
Such sexism in this industry (or indeed any other) is abhorrent. Sadly, it’s also endemic.
It’s an awful thing that you went through this Sarah, and I’m glad that the industry is (mostly) mature enough to have rallied around and done what they could to try and determine the perpetrator.
There are 2 very real problems highlighted by Sarah’s experience:
1) There are (and sadly will likely always be) men who will *never* respect women, no matter how much society tries to educate them that their attitudes are offensive, outdated and simple-minded.
2) Anonymity on the internet allows cowards and idiots to pretty much do what they want.
It’s extremely important for all of us to do our bit to educate *everyone* that sexism in any form will not be tolerated. It is definitely beginning to change and despite this horrible incident, we *are* seeing improvements in industry attitudes. One can only hope that in the next few years, sexist attitudes towards women will have all but disappeared.
As for the anonymity of trolls on the internet: we’ll never get rid of that. Regardless of any legal machinery that might expose anonymous trolls, if someone wants to remain truly anonymous on the internet, they can. It remains the case then that individuals who find themselves in Sarah’s situation must try to be strong to rise above the trolls. That is clearly not easy. I commend Sarah for having the strength of character to say what needs to be said and highlight this incident, even when it must clearly have been a very difficult experience.
To also touch upon a point made by a commenter earlier, Sarah’s experience is sadly just one small incident in industry as a whole, not just the web industry. One only has to look at the sexist advertising at shows like E3 and CES where “booth babes” are dressed up to parade around and help sell the latest games and gadgets. As a society, by allowing that to continue, we’re really still saying that’s acceptable. And it’s not.
It’s down to us as both professionals AND consumers to make it clear we’ll no longer tolerate this sort of sexist rubbish. Women deserve better than this, and as a society we *all* benefit when sexism is eradicated.
I can’t wait for us all to live and work together as equals, free of outdated views that should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Thank you for speaking up, Sarah. Your testimonial is a real wakeup call for us guys to look beyond the shell, just like we do for men speakers, however big or skinny, handsome or plain; focus on sharing knowledge. A conference is not a strip bar.
And to that troll guy: if you read me: happy you got a little noise going? Go get yourself some help, man, because you’re a maniac and obviously can’t swallow the fact that Sarah is successful and you’re probably not.
Present yourself at the nearest jail and ask that they put you in a cell, off the internet until you’ve seen a good shrink or something. You’re way off and diserve a good public spanking. Is that kind of act what you want to be remembered for?
Susan
Part of the problem is that trolls get positive attention for trolling. Instead of showing them how hurt I am, or ignoring them while other people tell them how awesome they are, I’ve taken to making it about them and their insecurities. I find speculation on their lonely lives and abusive parents tends to provoke the angry defensive reactions they are looking for in other people. Plus, then I feel less angry (still scared and threatened, of course, but less angry.)
I’d also note the number of in-person incidents that have happened at conferences makes the “anonymity” argument kind of thin. It’s more about how the rest of the world reacts to this sort of behavior.
Alfie
Hi
Your story is sad and I have complete admiration for you in coming forward and sharing this with everyone. To go through what have and still carry on is amazing.
I’m new to the web development world and new to twitter but watch the blogs with interest for new ideas and hints on a new exciting (career?) in the web development world.
I have been a manual worker working in a male dominated world and I so know what these men are like. It’s awful that someone could do this to you and probably happens in other industries.
Now, I work in a office and they are all women on higher grades and roles than me. At first it felt strange but now I’m totally comfortable in this environment and in complete ore of their skills levels, knowledge and speaking skills conferences. My partner entered the world of sales in man donated world. She is now is a very successful European sale manager and has complete from other males in her industry. It was a long hard journey but she made it in the end , I’m sure you will do the same.
Forgive me for writing this post as I don’t even know but your story touched – and I felt I have to say something.
Be stong.
Alfie
Matt Willmott
I’m shocked, appalled and saddened that someone would even do something like this.
There are some horrible people in the world but hopefully we can all remember that there are many, many more great, generous and lovely people than there are bad.
Sarah, one thing you should never doubt is that the vast majority of this industry (because it’s impossible to please everyone) are here for you, especially when something as traumatic as this happens.
I hope things are better now.
I find it completely insane that any bloke in this industry doesn’t appreciate a creative as an entity, rather than by gender.
It is, unfortunately, true that the creative field is still stereotyped as male-dominant environment but, in my experience, a mixed-gender dynamic challenges the design process for the better.
As for individual who wanted to tarnish your credibility, integrity and professionalism… Well I don’t think they deserve any extra mention 🙂
Amazing post Sarah. This kind of thing won’t be dealt with unless people take a stand and speak out against it. Keep up the great work!
What is wrong with people? At what point does some think “yeah I’m gonna try and screw this person over”; why? Were they not loved as a child? Who knows! I really admire you for speaking up, these people need to learn their lesson and know that stuff like this isn’t right; they probably need some sort of mental health help too, who knows. Keep your head up and remember haters are gonna hate.
You’re incredible for speaking up and not letting fear get the best of you. Our world needs to be aware of happenings like this, so we don’t automatically believe everything is happy and free. There are pains as well, and you’ve shown you’re stronger than them.
Miguel Montanez
I’m sure this was both painful and therapeutic to speak up about. Monsters like that live to ruin, and hopefully your story adds fuel to the debate–inspiring more to speak up.
Sexism in our industry is so bad. Shit, I once got accused of being a “ladies man” for hiring two female designers in succession.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Hi Sarah,
when I just read this, I got here by another designer, namely miss Laura Kalbag. I hold her highly because of what she does, not whom she is. And so should everyone else, I simply do not understand why people keep on doing this! It’s as if the world has gone koo-koo at some point. Like they don’t realise what they’re doing when they say/do stuff like what you’ve been through. Anyways, there isn’t much I can do at this point besides telling you that you have my support! Keep fighting!
PS: Have you to spoken to Aral Balkan already? I bet he would want to know about this too.
-Cheers,
me
It actually makes me ashamed to be a male in the industry.
Mustafa
Sarah, such things happening against you are an indicator of your success. They’ll wear off and they cannot hurt your reputation, they can only (albeit inadvertently) promote you. In other words, the joke is on them. Keep up your good work, and pay those no heed.
Oh God. And my 12-year old daughter wants to be in this industry. I’d have to think carefully – twice – before saying she should, with a straight face.
Thank you for telling your story and let’s hope the times will change.
Susan
There are plenty of areas of the industry where you can avoid all of this. Academia, digital archiving, forensics, or simply large companies all provide areas without the machismo-fueled jerks. So even if she decides she doesn’t have the energy for any of this, it’s not necessarily a reason to avoid the industry.
That is not to excuse this behavior in any way, but discouraging women from the industry that is much bigger than these conferences does both them and the industry a disservice. My father tried to discourage me for that very reason, and I am very glad I ignored him. It would have been more helpful if he’d told me *why* he didn’t think I should do it (he was ashamed of how “his people” acted towards people like me), so I’d have been prepared and known the problem was them, not that I didn’t belong here.
I hope that you’ll be able to tell your daughter that if she ever encounters the trolls of the world there is an army people ready and willing to support her, and she will have options available to respond to them. I hope you can introduce her to some of the amazing women who are already here, so she knows people like her do this stuff every day. Maybe introduce her to feminism, so she has the tools to recognize and name the sexism she will encounter and knows that it can be successfully fought.
Protecting her will just leave this battle to someone else’s daughter: arming her and fighting by her side can support her passions and make the world better for her daughters in turn.
Nathan Hornby
My two cents:
The discussion here today is one of sexual equality, it’s in no way unique to do with web design.
Nathan Hornby
Fingers got the better of me there:
“The discussion here today is one of sexual equality, it’s in no way unique to web design.
Lea
I was initially perplexed by your comment and wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt given the overall tone of the other comments here. But I have to say that I find your comment ( and one of your tweets) dismissive of Sarah’s experience. They’re “Yes, but…” statements. Just because “Some men are assholes… in every industry” doesn’t mean women in THIS industry should just put up with it in silence. Sarah was right to speak out. She was in no way being unfair to all males in our industry by doing so.
Mark Petereit
Agreed! Jonas, if you discourage your daughter from following her passion, you’re aiding and abetting the very scum you’re trying to “defend” her from. It’s EXACTLY the response they WANT from you.
Iain
@Jonas Strandell:
Why would you? Teach her to ignore those people and stand up for herself. Every industry suffers from idiots like this. Don’t let that be a reason for her not to do what she wants.
Thanks for sharing your story: if people like you weren’t brave enough to do so, the rest of us wouldn’t even know this kind of thing was going on.
And it’s not just the digital design industry where this is happening. In any modern digital, SEO or marketing industries this is happening all too often.
For the guys, if you’re parents brought you up to respect women and I know for the majority that statement is true, we as a community can start by taking action when we see it.
If you spot a guy doing something inappropriate report it to the event organisers or if it’s happening in a group don’t stand by and watch idly.
Everyone should have a chance to share their knowledge & talents female or male without feeling put off, scared or anxious.
For anyone speaking it takes balls and guts to stand up in front of an audience so please show a little respect.
I really admire you for speaking up about this Sarah, you could have easily kept quiet and just tried to forget about it but you’ve done the right thing. People need to be made aware of this stuff and in my opinion the neanderthals should be named and shamed. Unfortunately it sounds unlikely that we’ll find out who was behind this.
Anyway, keep on doing your thing Sarah and don’t let these idiots slow you down.
Isn’t that the way, always hard to name the cowards as they hide.
I am shocked by what happened. You are fighting the good fight and one that has to be one for the benifit of the whole industry.
I would also like to see the law used to find and prosecute whoever did this as it was:
1) Pre-mediated and co-ordinated
2) A truly aweful think to do and is actually against the law
It would send a clear message to people that think this is acceptable that it isn’t and society doesn’t think it is and that there are serious consequences for these types of actions.
The perception of the Internet is maturing people are starting to realise that online actions are part of the real world, not just a ‘virtual world’. As such real life prosecutions for this type of behaviour should not seem out of place.
Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope that it helps others keep strong in the face of this type of abuse and show those that think this behaviour is acceptable that it is definately not and make them reconsider their beliefs.
Hi Sarah, thanks for sharing. You might be interested in this project which aims to raise the profile of women speakers in the technology and creative industries: https://articulatenetwork.com
Sarah, what you’ve gone through is a disgrace. Please continue to stand tall in the face of it.
Hopefully this blog post is the beginning of a proper movement, as an industry and community, to wipe out this kind of misogyny and bullying.
I very much look forward to hearing you speak and attending one of your workshops very soon.
Disgraceful.
And to the douche that said: “no offence, I just don’t relate to girls speaking about the industry at all, I learn better from guys” – I just despair.
It’s this sort of deeply embedded misogyny that harms our industry and society as a whole. You may as well wear a t-shirt to conferences proclaiming “females, your opinions are irrelevant”.
I’m lucky to have worked in the NHS for many years and be surrounded by a mainly female workforce of empowered leaders, something our industry desperately needs. And NOT just for the sake of equality but to allow it to mature into a more complete form. The nature of the web/internet breaks down barriers of gender/race/age – let’s try and remember that.
Don’t be disheartened by this Sarah, our industry needs people like you who put themselves out there. Continue to rally the troops.
I have connected with quite a few inspirational female designers/developers/speakers/etc at events that I attend and organise and yes, for now, they are outnumbered and, yes, we do joke about “where are all the women at?” but it’s slowly changing thanks to people like yourself leading the way.
It is people like yourself that give me reason to inspired by the web and continue pushing myself and the people around me.
Bullying, trolling and discrimination in this personal/attacking way is so unbelievably horrible and demoralising whenever it happens – I am so horrified that someone decided to choose you (or anyone for that matter) for this kind of unsolicited attack.
I am glad that you have chosen to keep going, to keep fighting and to keep being yourself – I hope that you will always remember that the web loves you and what you do.
The professionalism and grace with which you handled that truly awful situation is inspirational. Thank you.
I recommend you seek legal representation and prosecute to the full extent of the law. This activity has been done with malice and intent to harm and must be confronted.
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this. I also thank you for being one of those that stands up and continues to despite this. It fills me with joy the amount of women speaking we have now in this industry compared to even a few years ago. It equally fills me with anger that things like this still happen.
I’m very conscious that without women speaking we have no easily visible inspiration or role models for the next generation. Without a safe environment to speak up we’ll also have few women speaking. Everything we can do to give more in any minority brings a richer, fuller and better experience to our industry. Boundaries need to be drawn and if need be legal matters taken as sometimes enough is enough.
Well – here’s the good news. Like taxes, this kind of stuff only becomes an issue once your profile has risen to a high enough level for the idiots to notice.
What’s worth remembering is what any psychiatrist will tell you – about 20% of any population tends to be mentally unhealthy at any point in time. We all go through these periods. For some, they are looking at why they are failing, or struggling, or scared. It’s too painful to look at themselves, so they externalise their problems. We all know people like that, right?
So what do trolls look for? They look for weak spots. And they poke around, hoping to get a hit. They want to hurt you. Being a woman gives them some targets. Being gay other targets. Being foreign… etc etc. I was a poor kid, unstable family, foreign (sort of, long story), and small… school was hell. I got to learn about trolling and why people do it at an early age. For a while I was the weird Spanish kid with an Irish name. By the time I moved to another school I’d learned enough to mimic accents that I sounded native. Then instead they’d pick on my Oxfam sourced clothes, tatty dress and so on. Didn’t matter… they’d get at me. The fact I was reasonably bright didn’t help either – some of the clever kids saw me as a threat to their number one status as well. They got to hate me too 🙂
I learned to ignore the trolls. They still make me angry. They’re just like kids in a bad school – they think they can get away with bullying, so they do. It’s not misogyny you’re seeing… it’s envy. Envy of people doing better than they are.
I’ve only had to deal with a couple of online trolls but the ones that did I was able to scare off by identifying them through their carelessness online. They left me alone soon after.
Thankfully the community is a relatively mature one – naming and shaming, as Nick says, can be quite productive today. But it might just bring other trolls out of the woodwork. And it’s stressful to deal with. So it’s better to continue not to give the trolls a rise. Simply ignore them. Laugh at their antics. Yes, they shopped you naked… but does that do you any harm to anybody who is half decent?
Let’s look at it another way – decent people care not a jot for your past – faked or otherwise. They care about what you do today.
God, that was a bit of a comment… sorry about that. But if one subject is likely to get me going off on one, it’s bullying, in all its forms!
Hi Sara,
I complement you on your bravery to speak up on this topic. The people who do this are nothing but cowards.
Keep up the good work and fight strong.
“Who dares disturb the universe” *
Diane
Thank you for sharing your story. One thing I feel it is VERY important for everyone to realize is that this is not a terribly unusual incident or limited to the web design industry or the conference circuit.
I see people expressing shock on Twitter about it this a.m. and think to myself, really? You find that this type of behavior occurs surprising? It is much more common that people seem to realize, and perhaps that is part of the problem.
Shocked and appalled to hear this Sarah and well done to you for publicly raising this issue here.
I can’t quite believe that sexism is infiltrating our industry to such a degree and am, honestly, ashamed to be a man in instances like this. You are renowned for your work and should be free to work in this industry based on that alone, not your sex or preferences, or anything else for that matter. Quite simply astounded and speechless you have had to endure this.
All I can say is keep doing what you are doing, ignore the minority that are obviously jealous of your status and creativity and, most importantly, keep posting and letting the world know how this affects people and how unbelievable this is to be happening in this age.
Stay strong and keep working, you’re fab!
Problem is: there’s bad people everywhere… And if we think that we’re saved because we live in a “creative” industry and everyone should be more… hmmm… open minded (?), well, I guess not.
Sarah, stand proud and be happy. It’s all jealous 😉
komiska
Thank you Sazzy, for speaking up!
Of course, trolling comes in all colours,even I would consider myself a “troll”, when commenting on a blog about a subject I’m not educated enough to speak about,and asking dumb questions, with everyone else rolling their eyes …
But this is serious harassment,and a misogynous one.
Also, very cowardly .
But even without obscuring , I believe misogyny is taking up a new upturn in the world generally, when you look at some speeches among those, whom one would consider educated, intelligent,grown-up individuals .
Even with the laws against stalking and/or defamation, you have to go through this? Not to mention websites like
https://gizmodo.com/5971914/site-accuses-women-of-prostitution-demands-money-to-take-their-private-information-down
I can imagine few people waving this off like a “first-world-problem”, or “the price of ‘fame’ “, but this is mobbing.
There are legal steps one can undertake, because it is not only damaging to you, but also to the industry and any other woman in any other industry.
A member of my family is a doctor, and a very angry ex-co-worker wrote a furious troll-post on her website about how dirty and unfriendly she was ( she’s an expert in her field and a cancer researcher).
What happened to you is not trolling anymore. It is cyber-stalking. Illegal.Companies protect themselves against libel and defamation,so every single person should be able to as well.
All the best!
Somewhere between Disgust and Rage.
Well done Sarah.
That is truly horrific. I know that you’re smart enough to not tar an entire industry 90% of which don’t go to conferences, read magazines, blogs or keep up with the times with the same brush.
There are awful people but it’s important to remember they’re not just in this space.
I very rarely take or find the time to comment on blog posts – something I know I really should try better at. However, after reading this I just wanted to chip and commend you on how well you write about a subject that is without doubt up there amongst the toughest many people have to deal with in their entire career or indeed in their lives.
Of course, it’s a situation that I’ll never be able to truly relate to, but nevertheless it’s fantastic to see you showcase human resilience.
Also, it’s good to see that – whilst there is a handful of jealous angry individuals out there, as well as a deep rooted prejudice towards woman that needs to stop – that deep down there is are a lot of good people making up the design industry and it should be remembered that those are the people that really matter.
Thanks for sharing your story.
That is so horrible. I have become sickened and disappointed with our industry over the past few months hearing stories such as this. On a much lesser scale, I see unacceptable trolling every day on Twitter as conversations flit from one argument to the next – I don’t understand the motivation behind trolls.
Regardless of sex, nobody deserves to be harassed/bullied/trolled for ANY reason. The web business can be a lonely place for the freelancer or small studio owner and those individuals who put themselves out there to help should be praised not ridiculed. I know of a number of people within the industry who have chosen to opt-out of community events/forums/discussions due to trolling. This has impacted them personally and financially whilst the ‘trolls’ seem to feed off the negative energy which they are pedalling.
I’m not sure how this problem can be solved, but open and honest posts like this will help.
Sarah: 1 – Troll: 0.
Holy shit, Sarah, I am so sorry this happened to you. I commend you for your bravery in speaking about it and hope that voices like ours make a difference. The first battle is convincing people who don’t see these things happen (because the assholes who do them don’t *want* good people to know what they’re up to) that they DO happen and that they are not as isolated and uncommon as many would like to believe.
Thank you for writing this.
Well done Sarah for speaking up. This is absolutley appauling. As an industry the rest of us need to out these infantiles – find them, let the police, thier employers and clients know exactly how they have behaved.
You Sazzy are a brave star and you have a lot more friends than you will ever realise.
Lilly Hnat
Hi Sarah,
I find this so odd, horrible and disgusting, but odd! As a female in the web sphere, I have never yet come up against sexism. Or maybe I’m just blind and have become used to sexist comments that I dont notice them anymore?
I’m starting to take a real interest in promoting and encouraging women to enter an industry that will provide economic growth and secure jobs for many years to come – we have as much right as males to share a part of that.
Thank you for continuing to fight our corner!
Jenn
Thank you for sharing your story. I, too, have been through something similar to this, and I never know how to handle it. When I try to stand up for myself, it actually makes things worse. I admire you for your bravery, and by sharing your thoughts on the matter, you’ve inspired me to be strong and encourage the other women in my life to do the same. *hugs*
I’m ashamed that this has happened to you. Having worked with you only briefly, I know that your success is due to talent, hard work and a high level of professionalism. The person responsible will never be able to say the same of themselves.
Please flag this up if it happens again, the more people looking into it the better chance this coward will be caught.
sarah, how horrible. thank you for breaking the silence. and i’m really looking forward to hearing what you have up your sleeves, and if there’s any way i can help.
I apologise for my gender/humanity; no one should have to put up with this 🙁
Ryan Rushing
Do not apologize on behalf of all men everywhere. We’re clearly not the same. The problem with sexism is grouping an entire gender together, applying the same thinking across the board. One person, or perhaps multiple individuals, horrendously acted out. Focusing on one’s sex is what got us here in the first place.
I realize you also said humanity, but I wanted to state my peace about the “gender” part of your statement.
LB
All men should be ashamed of this, and should apologize. Sexism doesn’t come from speaking out about a gender-wide problem.
Jason
I think it’s truly disgusting that anyone would go to such great lengths to sabotage your speaking career and quite possibly your career as a whole by posting such despicable things.
Unfortunately, some men have this notion that because your a successful attractive woman, you are a threat, or that your views and opinions should remain within the household. – Something as a society we should be far beyond.
The few conferences I’ve been to, where you have been one of speakers have been incredibly interesting to listen to and I’ve walked away being better for hearing it.
Keep it up and know that for the very few ‘trolls’ there are a huge amount of supporters and individuals who value your contributions.
Keep it up. If your getting this reaction, just know your doing something right.
Ret
You did a great thing speaking out. Prejudice is such a deterrent to success if you let it be.
Congratulations on all you have achieved thus far.
Anonymity and a warped sense of detachment from the real world seems to bring out the sociopath in these cowards. If they thought for one second that they could be held accountable for their actions things would die down very quickly.
Regrettably, that’s never going to happen so hopefully posts like this will remind them that there is a real person on the receiving end of their vitriol no matter what form of ‘ism’ or ‘phobia’ it takes.
Laura took the words out of my mouth. Your completely inspirational and admirable. Speaking publicly about this will hopefully allow the community to rally around, change attitudes and the approach to female designers for the better.
X
Sarah,
The first thing I ever saw about you was your work. I can’t remember anything about it except how clean and inviting the site was. I think someone else was tweeting about it being an example of what the industry should be driving for. I agreed and have been following your work since. You are an artist with a great writing style as well. there are lots of guys out there that have no problem admitting that genius can come from a woman. Keep doing what you are doing. There are lots of us that are learning from you regularly.
“there are lots of guys out there that have no problem admitting that genius can come from a woman”
:/
I’m not sure that came out how you intended.
Nick Toye
It really shocks me that an industry like ours has these elements polluting it. I heard derogatory homosexual comments being made about a speaker at New Adventures this year, and I was appalled.
I didn’t know who they were, and it was only afterwards that I thought that these guys should be named and shamed. No place for any of this anywhere in any industry, but certainly not one so steeped in innovation. This sickening and quite frankly neanderthal behaviour is just not on.
Well done for having the courage to come out and say it, and I’m sure the majority good people in this industry will support you 100%.
It is utterly shocking that things like this are happening in our industry. A casual glance would reveal that it’s male-dominated but what is not visible is that this can be accompanied by an undercurrent of such dark and damaging (and obviously insecure) sexist behaviour.
As a woman fairly new to the web world, I hope for better in the future and openness about the situation is the only way we can tackle it, so thank you for your bravery in speaking out about it.
Sarah, thank you for sharing.
Whilst it might be true that women are a minority in the industry I want to hope that the people who think it’s OK to do these things are more of a minority.
As a majority, i.e. those of us who think it doesn’t matter a damn what gender you are, we can and should send out a strong message to these people that it’s not acceptable and we won’t tolerate it and we will take action against them.
Where do I sign?
This world is packed with jive cat’s who really have little to offer and way too much time on there hands.
Some of us men are so confused and scared by the fact that women are where they are in our sociology. Developing themselves and moving away from the June Cleaver image that many of these dudes would love to still see as the sole role of women in our culture.
I just hate the level of insecurity that exists amongst these anonymous squares. No guts whatsoever.
You take care queen and I pray I get the opportunity to hear you speak at an AEA conference.
PEACE
Rose
Think you’ve nailed it Dorian, these are scared weird little guys. Very ugly thing to do, hiding in anonymity.
Eleanor Roosevelt has some good quotes about some of her experiences, not that this really helps:
You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, ‘I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.’ You must do the thing you think you cannot do.
and
Women who are willing to be leaders must stand out and be shot at.
More and more they are going to do it and more and more they should do it.
Sadly, this is still true.
Xandor Schiefer
Hi Sarah,
Thank you for speaking out. I am appalled by the attitudes that pervade this industry.
Although I’m sure you know this, not all men in this industry are like this.
I myself enjoy reading articles and listening to talks about the web no matter who authored men (male, female, or perhaps even transgender), as long as the content is solid.
I am glad to see more articles written by women and talks by women on the net, and I hope that your post will encourage them to stand tall in the face of adversity.
Sarah, I’m really glad you wrote about this in a public forum. I’ve been trying to convince myself over the past 7 years that there isn’t a problem with the lack of gender balance in this industry, but sadly I’ve come to realise I’m kidding myself.
I really hope you get to the bottom of this. Please keep doing what you do.
This is so horrible.
Thank you so much for posting this, I appreciate it must have been very hard, but this is such an extreme example that needs highlighting.
Everywhere I turn right now there is something demonstrating the sexism in our industry. There seems to be something new every week!
I just don’t know, right now, whether to power through or change course.
Thank you Sarah, for sharing this story. More people need to open their eyes to how women are treated both in the Web industry and in society. It’s extremely sad that anyone within the design community would have this level of professional jealousy, to try to defame a colleague in such a degrading manner.
Keep speaking, I actually learn a lot from the amazing women in our industry. People are leaving a ton of insight and knowledge on the table by not learning from women within our field.
Josephine Richmond
Wow, this is a terrible tale, and you’re very brave for telling it. Keep being awesome and my role model. Also, do you have a link to the pictures?
Thanks for sharing this. It’s awefull that these things still exists. I guess that is why we still need organizations like Ada Initiative. Personally, I am a PHP developer involved in the PHPWomen usergroup that is trying to get more women involved in the community and as speakers. These kind of stories certainly don’t help in achieving that goal, but it shows why there are still so many female speakers.
I wish you luck with your ideas and I am looking forward to reading about it.
Ofcourse, I meant to say: so few female speakers
Samantha Stocks
I think this kind of attitude in male-oriented industries is all too common. Having worked in very male dominated industries I’ve very often felt that many men just didn’t take me seriously, not by reputation, but on first meeting, judged purely by my gender and appearance. When I introduced myself to one guy, I literally had him raise his eyebrows and look me up and down sceptically, and he didn’t even bother to introduce himself. This kind of thing is hurtful and a real blow to confidence. I think at the time it would have been nice to have spoken to women who had similar experiences, sharing how they would have dealt with such a situation.
I’ve often attended trade shows for broadcast, post production, and photography industries, and am always saddened by the amount of dolled up ‘booth babes’ on the exhibition stalls. I can’t help but feel that this just prolongs outdated attitudes to women in traditionally male industries…
I could rant all day but I digress!
It is easier to remain quiet and not rock the boat than to speak out, and I think you’re right to do so. These are issues that need to be addressed publicly. The more dialogue there is, the more progress can be made to help to quell such dated stereotypes and attitudes.
Thanks for sharing your experience! 🙂
Samantha
I should probably add that your situation is obviously more than just sexism – it’s harassment. I’m pretty sure that deliberately trying to damage someone’s career is a criminal offence. I sincerely hope you can find and prove who this person is.
I can’t believe that something so terrible happened to you like that – how some people think it is appropiate or right to mess with other’s lives who do so much good is disgusting.
Thank you for writing publicly about this – like Laura said, it gives other women around the industry the strength to know that we can and should just try to fight through all the nonsense that’s around.
Thank you so much for writing this. x
You’re brave and awesome. You’re a rolemodel for any woman out there that wants to speak. They really should read this and do what they want, and learn to live without getting those troll comments under consideration.
I can’t believe this kind of nonsense exists. Why is it always the morons that spoil it for you and the rest of us. I’ve been trolled once and it made me very very angry and no one knows who I am! I imagine you get trolled on a daily basis. Your response to this and other trolls is admirable. I do think we need some kind of troll database though, somewhere we can name and shame them (if they haven’t hidden their identity). On an aside, I really don’t see why gender is an issue these days either. Maybe I live in a blinkered or idealistic world, but why gender, colour or good looks or anything else should matter in regards to experts talking about their field of expertise is beyond me.
Well done for carrying on regardless and let’s hope 2013 brings a better year for you.
HI Laura,
Well done for speaking up about this bullshit.
I’ve been the token, it’s crap. I don’t think it will ever get easier. Hopefully though, your profile will encourage a new generation of women to stay in the industry and a new generation of boys to view them as completely normal.
G
Sarah,
thank you for sharing your story, it’s quite sad to see how much of this is going on. There are idiots in every field—what a shame that our otherwise so sharing and caring community suffers from this. Those who feel the need to hassle others in such a horrible manner are quite pathetic and should always been seen as such.
Very glad you are still going strong and not letting it interfere with what you want to do!
All the best x
I admire you for your courage for standing up on a scene (I know that is difficult, at least for me it is), I admire you for speaking up. You now have another follower.
Ahmed Salama
What about legal action? Can’t these people be exposed by a court of law? Keep your chin up… otherwise those scumbags win!
There was no way to know which country the troll was operating from, therefore which country should be informed for legal help.
A (male) friend had a similar story. He managed to get information from Twitter but not from Facebook. That brings back the “no-right’s land” issue Internet has become. It’s easy to create accounts on behalf of other people and hurt them. We need to create a certain amount of worldwide rules in the Internet and find the right balance so it doesn’t become a too much controlled area.
I’m sad to hear these kind of stories still happen. Congrats for speaking up, it needs a huge amount of courage. Courage you had, but some un-courageous people need to hide to hurt others. And keep on speaking at conferences please.
It’s so completely horrible and your bravery is admirable. It’s women like you that inspire other women in the industry to keep trying and ignore the crap that’s going on around us. The fact that you haven’t given up is so encouraging. Thank you x
I like to add that ignoring, while seemingly easy does not help getting rid of the problem.
Speaking up and fighting, discussing and writing and trying to open eyes is the only way to go.
(And to add it: I am a foreigner where I am living and we do live under scrutiny, being stared at daily often enough with disgrace, so I know the feeling and still feel its better to fight, then to ignore)
Congrats for standing up for yourself. I just wanted to add that I (and many others) are very grateful for what you do and it is disgraceful that an industry as young and quickly growing as ours suffers from sexism… It’s 2013 people! Women work, and specialise, and can be just as good/bad/better than then men at what they do.

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