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		<title>By: Alvin Lai</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvin Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sarah,

I see that you&#039;re using Skitch and one of folks here mentioned Basecamp so I thought you&#039;d like to check out Freshlog:

http://freshlog.com

It&#039;s like Skitch with the ability to create Basecamp Messages and Todo list items WITH screenshots and a list of other supported issue trackers, check out the screencast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciw_2L6lq7s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sarah,</p>
<p>I see that you&#8217;re using Skitch and one of folks here mentioned Basecamp so I thought you&#8217;d like to check out Freshlog:</p>
<p><a href="http://freshlog.com" rel="nofollow">http://freshlog.com</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Skitch with the ability to create Basecamp Messages and Todo list items WITH screenshots and a list of other supported issue trackers, check out the screencast:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciw_2L6lq7s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciw_2L6lq7s</a></p>
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		<title>By: rdas7</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>rdas7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the current Address Book do you not like? If you give some examples of things you&#039;d like to do, but find difficult, perhaps I can suggest a more appropriate tool?

Glad to hear someone else out there is using Fireworks. For all its faults, I find it perfect for web design!

Also, I&#039;d love to see a copy of your pdf proposal — I&#039;m currently trying to set up something similar, but don&#039;t quite know where to start. Seeing an example would really help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the current Address Book do you not like? If you give some examples of things you&#8217;d like to do, but find difficult, perhaps I can suggest a more appropriate tool?</p>
<p>Glad to hear someone else out there is using Fireworks. For all its faults, I find it perfect for web design!</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d love to see a copy of your pdf proposal — I&#8217;m currently trying to set up something similar, but don&#8217;t quite know where to start. Seeing an example would really help!</p>
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		<title>By: My workflow &#171; Steve Rydz</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>My workflow &#171; Steve Rydz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] inspiration for this post came from Sarah Parmenter&#8217;s post, My Design Workflow, and Ryan Taylor&#8217;s post, Web Design Workflow [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] inspiration for this post came from Sarah Parmenter&#8217;s post, My Design Workflow, and Ryan Taylor&#8217;s post, Web Design Workflow [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dor</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Dor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I&#039;d share mine as well: 

http://www.thuiven.com/index.php/notebook-entry/my_web_design_workflow_and_tools/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#8217;d share mine as well: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thuiven.com/index.php/notebook-entry/my_web_design_workflow_and_tools/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thuiven.com/index.php/notebook-entry/my_web_design_workflow_and_tools/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lee Munroe</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Munroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to see how other designers work Sarah, thanks for sharing.

I used Dreamweaver until recently when I converted to a Mac and now I&#039;m on Coda, mainly because there seems to be a lot of buzz around Coda, but I quite miss Dreamweaver.

Transmit, CocoaMySQL, MAMP and Parallels (for IE testing) would be a few other apps I use. And I quite like TextMate when it comes to Ruby on Rails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to see how other designers work Sarah, thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>I used Dreamweaver until recently when I converted to a Mac and now I&#8217;m on Coda, mainly because there seems to be a lot of buzz around Coda, but I quite miss Dreamweaver.</p>
<p>Transmit, CocoaMySQL, MAMP and Parallels (for IE testing) would be a few other apps I use. And I quite like TextMate when it comes to Ruby on Rails.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Sarah, I&#039;ve lost count of the amount of times I&#039;ve written a proposal only to be then told the budget they have which is nowhere near my quote - glad to hear I&#039;m not the only one that has experienced this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Sarah, I&#8217;ve lost count of the amount of times I&#8217;ve written a proposal only to be then told the budget they have which is nowhere near my quote &#8211; glad to hear I&#8217;m not the only one that has experienced this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Sarah. You&#039;ve inspired me to write my own blog. :-)

http://tinyurl.com/4bzdl2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Sarah. You&#8217;ve inspired me to write my own blog. <img src='http://www.sazzy.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/4bzdl2" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4bzdl2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Quinteros</title>
		<link>http://www.sazzy.co.uk/2008/10/web-design-workflow/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Quinteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always had this unhealthy obsession of discovering other designer&#039;s behind-the-scenes process as well and it&#039;s great to know that I&#039;m not the only one that develops this curiosity. 

For starters, I&#039;m not a fan of occupying my dock with all frequently used applications, so instead I resort to utilizing a fantastic application launcher called Sapiens&lt;/a&gt;. For development, my weapon of choice is BBedit and anything involving imagery, our trusty Photoshop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had this unhealthy obsession of discovering other designer&#8217;s behind-the-scenes process as well and it&#8217;s great to know that I&#8217;m not the only one that develops this curiosity. </p>
<p>For starters, I&#8217;m not a fan of occupying my dock with all frequently used applications, so instead I resort to utilizing a fantastic application launcher called Sapiens. For development, my weapon of choice is BBedit and anything involving imagery, our trusty Photoshop.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah - interesting that you provide a &#039;rough&#039; price first and then a formal proposal after. I too have lost a fair amount of hours doing quotes for people who just instantly baulk at the price.

However, if your rough price is say £2,000 - but when you look it it a bit more closely it&#039;s more like £2,500 - how do you justify to the client that the rough price has gone up? Don&#039;t you find clients a bit suspicious of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah &#8211; interesting that you provide a &#8216;rough&#8217; price first and then a formal proposal after. I too have lost a fair amount of hours doing quotes for people who just instantly baulk at the price.</p>
<p>However, if your rough price is say £2,000 &#8211; but when you look it it a bit more closely it&#8217;s more like £2,500 &#8211; how do you justify to the client that the rough price has gone up? Don&#8217;t you find clients a bit suspicious of that?</p>
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		<title>By: Iarfhlaith Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iarfhlaith Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sarah, cool blog.

I have two design processes, one for sites and another for apps. For a site, I design it in Photoshop, get the client to sign off on it, then convert it to XHTML and CSS using Aptana. For an app, I go back to good old fashioned paperware designs. I find it&#039;s the best way to map a process. For web apps, the client is usually more concerned with how it works then how it looks, so there&#039;s less of an emphasis on the graphic design.

I&#039;ve recently started to use version control on all my projects. With Aptana I can commit straight to version control from within the editor, and then using Hudson, a continuous build system which monitors the source code repository it rebuilds the test site each time there&#039;s a new commit.

Setting it all up was a little tricky, but I&#039;d highly recommend it. Now that it&#039;s all up and running, it&#039;s dead simple to revert to a previous version or undo a new set of changes because the client changed their mind (which happens a lot).

Here&#039;s a couple of links to some useful resources for setting it up.


&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.aptana.com&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aptana Studio&lt;/a&gt; - really great alternative to Dreamweaver (especially if you used it as a glorified text editor, like I did)
&lt;a href=&#039;http://subversion.tigris.org&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Subversion&lt;/a&gt; - Awesome version control software. Used best as a hosted service, so you can access it from anywhere.
&lt;a href=&#039;https://hudson.dev.java.net/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hudson&lt;/a&gt; - A continuous integration system that can be used to monitor your svn repositories and upload any changes to an ftp site. Very handy!


This stuff comes into it&#039;s own when you start to work on projects with other people. You&#039;ll never need to worry about overwriting someone else&#039;s code again.

FYI, I&#039;m not affiliated with any of these sites in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sarah, cool blog.</p>
<p>I have two design processes, one for sites and another for apps. For a site, I design it in Photoshop, get the client to sign off on it, then convert it to XHTML and CSS using Aptana. For an app, I go back to good old fashioned paperware designs. I find it&#8217;s the best way to map a process. For web apps, the client is usually more concerned with how it works then how it looks, so there&#8217;s less of an emphasis on the graphic design.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently started to use version control on all my projects. With Aptana I can commit straight to version control from within the editor, and then using Hudson, a continuous build system which monitors the source code repository it rebuilds the test site each time there&#8217;s a new commit.</p>
<p>Setting it all up was a little tricky, but I&#8217;d highly recommend it. Now that it&#8217;s all up and running, it&#8217;s dead simple to revert to a previous version or undo a new set of changes because the client changed their mind (which happens a lot).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a couple of links to some useful resources for setting it up.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.aptana.com' rel="nofollow">Aptana Studio</a> &#8211; really great alternative to Dreamweaver (especially if you used it as a glorified text editor, like I did)<br />
<a href='http://subversion.tigris.org' rel="nofollow">Subversion</a> &#8211; Awesome version control software. Used best as a hosted service, so you can access it from anywhere.<br />
<a href='https://hudson.dev.java.net/' rel="nofollow">Hudson</a> &#8211; A continuous integration system that can be used to monitor your svn repositories and upload any changes to an ftp site. Very handy!</p>
<p>This stuff comes into it&#8217;s own when you start to work on projects with other people. You&#8217;ll never need to worry about overwriting someone else&#8217;s code again.</p>
<p>FYI, I&#8217;m not affiliated with any of these sites in any way.</p>
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